My Story

[Antigen]

Maybe you should check out Pathway and not assume that it is the same program that you went through.

Why should I believe you over the many people who have given details showing a great deal of similarity between the Program today and the way it was 20 years ago?

You just can't make this stuff up, friend. Even the justifications and lingo are the same today as they were even 30 years ago when Art Barker put on this song and dance in Ft. Lauderdale. Hell, even the songs are the same.

What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/188301123X/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>George Washington, Writings of Washington, Vol. 35, pg. 72

[METALGOD8]

Okay, being proud of your treatment is fine, too. I was proud of mine back then as well. In some strange sense of ways maybe I still am proud of that. I mean, after all, I held my urine for 3 days since I couldn't seem to let it out while someone was holding my beltloop and/or standing right behind me, or watching me... I truly believe that I would have lived, stayed out of jail and still been sane without all the brainwashing and abusive treatment me and thousands of others received there in straight inc. You were a client of "the proud straight, inc parent owned" spinoff called Pathway. As you were on first phase, were you ever expected to do any of the following?:
 "share your feelings" to a particular group in any certain way, recite certain steps, rules, procedures from memory, write MI's or participate in any other behavior modification activities in order to progress in your particular case? Did you ever tell that person relating "love ya so and so"? Do you really love them? Would lay down your life for them? Hmm, I know, you were too smart to fall into that trap...BUT! Pathway has phases, so how did you "move on"? Relax, it's ok. In my opinion, unless you faked it the whole time, you were brainwashed.
 You have yet to mention your name here, so I am assuming that you are either afraid, paranoid, or that you have some other good reason to remain mysterious. Regardless of that, I do not chastise people for not smoking, drinking or doing drugs. Whatever works for you is just that, whatever works for you. It's your life to live. If you abstain, you'll probably live longer, who knows? George Burns smoked cigars for eons and lived for eons too!  :smokin:  

[ This Message was edited by: metalgod8 on 2003-05-04 21:24 ]

[SurvivorEMSR]

Hey anonymous, how's life as peerstaff? Do they still have you running groups by yourself? Do you stilll have to lie on group sheets? Are you still trying to convince vulnerable kids that they are chemically dependent when they are obviously not? Still intaking kids for smoking marijuana four times? You yourself have admitted to me that PFC does some fucked up things. How can you say Straight and Pathway aren't almost exactly the same? You know what went on there. Shit, we were told in groups that Pathway came from Straight. Were we ever told the reasons why Straight was shut down? Were we ever told that Straight was shut down for the same things that Pathway does today? I think it's you that needs to get honest buddy. Give me a call sometime and we'll talk. I miss our discussions.

Ed

[Anonymous]

Are there people out there getting worried?

On 2003-05-04 16:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Dear Metal,

I'm wondering why you put down another person for not using a name.  I'm sure your mother did not name you Metal God.  So let me get this straight, (no pun intended) a person who had success at PFC is just brainwashed?  Do you think that maybe you could be a little jealous? The reason I'm not putting my name here is because I don't want people to know that I was in treatment.  Did you ever think that you should not put other people's names that went through treatment on this web-site, some people want to move on and forget about certain things before and during treatment?  Before you start reminiscing about your days in treatment, can you have respect for the other people and not throw around our names? "

You were programmed to  think it was a success.
If you are proud of it than what's the big deal? You were a kid anyway.  And as far as the forgetting goes... Well you'll never forget. You are not capable. You'll just repress it for a good ten years or so. Then start wondering why you are so immature and screwed up when you are supposed to be grown up yourself. And the shame that you feel about what they did to you and what they made you do to others will stick with you. It's called verbal, emotional and physical ABUSE. Face it, that place fucks with you. The sooner you can realize that, the sooner you can grow up. You are living in shame of being somewhere that was not your fault in the first place. You were a victim. You need to come to terms with that.

And BTW-- No-one asked us to have this little reunion here for survivors. We just are here.  This web-site is not for reminiscing, that?s way to casual a term. It?s for connecting with people you were repressed with. Not a high school reunion. Most of us were forced to go, some carried out of our own houses, others were literally drugged to get them there! We had no human rights.
There is only the pride I have for living through it all.
 Pathway was not treatment. It was and is documented torture. Food and sleep deprivation? Unauthorized restraint by non-professionals? Not reporting sexual confessions sounding like rape, or the body carvings? Those people are not licensed to run asylums that they create the clients for themselves!!! To think what goes on there is okay ON ANY LEVEL is lying to yourself. Pathway IS Straight!  

P.S.  Jealous? Where did you come up with that retort? That's doubtful.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-05-02 11:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"How long have they been asking people to donate real estate to them? Since when is pathway in the wilderness? Does anybody know Kathy Row?"

Yes, can anyone answer these questions?

Why does Pathway asks for real estate donations?

Is Kathy Row a licensed professional?

And since when is Pathway a wilderness program?

[Anonymous]

why do you want to know whether Kathy Row is a licensed professional? I would imagine she has some degree or she wouldn't be Program Director over both Southfield and Indiana Programs???But will look into.  Where are you reading that they want real estate or that they are a wilderness program??

[Anonymous]

On 2003-05-05 15:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"why do you want to know whether Kathy Row is a licensed professional? I would imagine she has some degree or she wouldn't be Program Director over both Southfield and Indiana Programs???

Not necessarily.

But will look into.  Where are you reading that they want real estate or that they are a wilderness program??"

On the internet. In their adds.

[METALGOD8]

:smokin:

[Anonymous]

Man, there you go again, maybe the guy you just talked about here does not want his name on this web-site.  Don't you get it?

[Anonymous]

Also, why don't you call pathway and talk with the clinical director.  I know that she's the one who hooked up the trip to utah and has given many people opportunities to go there.  On pathway's web-site, it says that she has m.a.l.p.c cacI  
Again, I'm not saying that straight was good, it sounds like it was horrible, but before you totally  put straight and pathway together, why don't you actually go there and find out about it.  My stay at pathway was 14 months and I'm happier now than when I was out doing anything I could to get drugs. Can't you at least say that pathway might be different? I'm not putting my name in here because I don't want you to know who I am.  I'm not paranoid, I just like my privacy.  I don't want to e-mail you privately, I just want to do what I'm doing.

[METALGOD8]

Well anonymous, I have Dr. Mel Riddile's permission to use his name here and anywhere else on the internet I choose to talk about him in a factual way concerning his involvement in straight inc., the straight foundation, and his training by miller newton, OOOOOOOOPS I said MILLER NEWTON. You should read up on that guy's history too, but that's your choice.
You might consider my opinion: For every positive thing a person can think of about treatment abuse, there will be hundreds of NEGATIVE things to counter it. Some of those involve death.
Do you know what a druggie stash is? What about the confidentiality rule?
MG8 :smokin:

[Anonymous]

On 2003-05-05 20:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Also, why don't you call pathway and talk with the clinical director.

Like you can do that. They won't answer dittley to anyone. I've called.

I know that she's the one who hooked up the trip to utah and has given many people opportunities to go there.

Whoop- a-dee-doo.

On pathway's web-site, it says that she has m.a.l.p.c cacI

That means absolutly nothing.  

Again, I'm not saying that straight was good, it sounds like it was horrible, but before you totally  put straight and pathway together, why don't you actually go there and find out about it.

Don't need to. Was there already.

 My stay at pathway was 14 months and I'm happier now than when I was out doing anything I could to get drugs.

Like what? I'd love to hear specifics. You are washed buddy.

Can't you at least say that pathway might be different?

Sure, the name is different.

I'm not putting my name in here because I don't want you to know who I am.  I'm not paranoid,

That is why you had to point it out.

I just like my privacy.  I don't want to e-mail you privately, I just want to do what I'm doing."

Putting up a shitty debate?
If you are so happy then what the hell are you doing on a survivor web-site? Shouldn't you be somewhere quoting Pathway scripture and giving thanks to your higher power or something? If you are so delivered from the hands of death and drug abuse(yeah right) then why argue with us?
          The Druggies?
Don't we take you back to the "past" they brainwashed you into thinking was so dreadful?
Oh and FYI: Just about all kids experiment with drugs and alcohol. Regardless, forced abusive treatment, and thought reforming behavior modification is not the solution. When you try to control any living thing, you destroy what makes it real in the first place. It's IDENTITY. Especially children, who's minds are still developing. This "programming" destroys more than 'experimenting'. There are no such things as hard core drug users at 13, 14, 15, 16, even 17 or 18. Experimentation is normal. Sorry, but it's the truth. With the exception of the child growing up with drugs being givin to him by his parents or gaurdians. Still, an addict? Doubtfully. Some of the biggest dorks I know have smoked pot before, and everyone who has ever drank alcohol knows what intoxication feels like. In this day and age "legally drunk" is like one and a half drinks.

[Anonymous]

I'm glad you got permission to use a name.  I wish everyone using this site would.  It sounds like you experienced treatment abuse, I said that I did not.  I do not consider your opinion because you have not experienced Pathway.  You don't hear me telling you that Straight was good.  I'm saying that what you describe about Straight is not what I experienced at Pathway.  Yes, I know what a stash is and I know about confidentiality.  Did you have individual therapy with a M.S.w. (I know my therapist had one)every week?  Did you have family therapy every other week?  Did you go to out-door ropes course with the entire group? Did you go to Utah for 5 days and help out animals?  and so on.  You seem to pick out selective things to respond back to.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-05-05 19:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Man, there you go again, maybe the guy you just talked about here does not want his name on this web-site.  Don't you get it?  "

Oh Shit! NO TALKING BEHIND BACKS! Right?
To bad.

[Anonymous]

Extra permissions is the big change? HOW ABOUT THE FACT THOSE KIDS DIDN'T NEED TREATMENT TO BEGIN WITH? :flame: