I ALSO SAY, IF FAMILIES OF SUICIDES DO NOT WANT THEIR CHILD'S NAME PUT ON ANY LIST, THEY ARE STILL COMPLICIT IN THE CRIME THAT KILLED THEIR CHILD.
So let me ask, are you saying that if I were deceased and you called my mother to ask her about my death and she told you to shit in your hat (which she would), she would be guilty of continuing to engage in child abuse by the denial of your request for information?
While I respect your opinion, I definitely feel differently. Frankly, I think that the program had way too much information about my life in the first place and that if anyone from straight came nosing around in my family business at this point in my life, my family obligation (as loving and caring folks) would be to kindly shoot the person in the face. ::unhappy:: ::smokingun::
WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS, DID ANYONE WITH ANY KIND OF LIST EVER CROSS CHECK IT WITH SOCIAL SECURITY DEATH RECORDS?
Yes.
FROM CONVERSATIONS WITH STRAIGHT SURVIVORS, STRAIGHT WAS A CONTINUATION OF THE CHILD ABUSE THEY WERE ALREADY GETTING AT HOME
From conversations? Were you not in straight yourself? If not, things are a little more difficult for me to explain...
Again, while I read and respect your words, I beg to differ with your opinion. I wasn't abused by my parents, I ABUSED my parents in the worst of ways. Granted, some more intense counseling would have been nice before I was sent to the gulag, but they were desperate parents looking deperately for some sort of solution. They were sucked in hook, line, and sinker just like tens of thousands of other parents.
Also, I think there is an important distinction to make (and I am simply making the distinction, I do not have the time or energy to defend my stance on the issue and run around in circles about why I believe it makes sense). In many ways the program was indeed responsible for more deaths than we could ever really and accurately count no matter what research method is used. BUT even if the program never existed, I think common logic dictates that there would still be a high number of suicides amongst the same group of folks. I have had a couple of friends from the program suicide over things that had absolutely nothing to do with the program, not even in some sort of roundabout way. For instance, a mother suicided over a recent untimely death of her only child. In some way this mother thought that through her death she would once again be with the child she loved so dearly. It has nothing at all to do with straight (and she wouldn't want to be on anyone's list either, but that is another arguement).
In brief,
correlation does not always imply causation.
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlatio ... al_fallacy) for additional details on this arguement of logic.
Too much thinking, I need a smoke. ::bandit::
