Why so many TBS/RTC Facilities in Utah and Montana?

[Anonymous]

I happen to be MORMON - and most of the 12,500,000 Mormons worldwide are not even aware of the teen programs in Utah. As for polygamy - it isn't practices by the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints.

I think the teen industry is more about MONEY than anything else. In fact the entire Psych industry is more about MONEY. Bashing an entire religious group because a handful of people are involved in the teen industry is unreasonable.

[Anonymous]

Mormon theology.

[Anonymous]

Great vid. You can tell in the narrator's voice: "These people really believe this shit?"

I don't get it either, Mr. Narrator.

[Hindsight]

Nobody has posted on this thread for a while, but if anyone is still following this, I have a question:

If Utah/Montana schools are bad for the reasons listed in the previous posts, are East coast school decent because they are regulated better?  Or are they still bad?  Obviously there are going to be bad ones in whatever area someone might talk about, but are the East coast ones better on average?

By the way, it is really weird, but the Struggling Teens company that refers kids to various programs is just down the hall from me!  Sometimes when I'm walking down the hall I stop and listen to the stuff they're saying to parents, which seems to usually be crap.

[Deborah]

No, no, no. While 'some' programs on the E coast are licensed (probably fewer than Utah), you have some Mavericks that "refuse" to be licensed and the lame ass regulatory agencies don't take them to task.

Utah programs are usually licensed these days, but regulations are rarely enforced. DHR advertises wilderness programs on their website.

Montana. Hmmm, well they got a State Rep there who owns a couple of programs and provides "therapy" without a license. Under the Dept of Labor, he's setting Montana up to be self-regulatin'.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... ter#217764

You'll find programs operating as Foster Homes in the W. Haven't seen that on the E coast yet.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... ght=foster
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... ght=foster

[Oz girl]

No, no, no. While 'some' programs on the E coast are licensed (probably fewer than Utah), you have some Mavericks that "refuse" to be licensed and the lame ass regulatory agencies don't take them to task.

Utah programs are usually licensed these days, but regulations are rarely enforced. DHR advertises wilderness programs on their website.

Are these licences state ones? eg run by the dept or human services or its eq? What can be done if a programme refuses to be licenced by the state? Can it be shut down?

[Deborah]

Are these licences state ones? eg run by the dept or human services or its eq? What can be done if a programme refuses to be licenced by the state? Can it be shut down?

DHR's Office of Regulatory Services in Ga received ample documentation to show that HLA was a TBS, and should be licensed.
ORS's attorney met with HLA's attorney who allegedly told them that no "therapy" ocurred at HLA, that they were a private boarding school.
ORS disregarded the information they'd received and apparently didn't even bother to look at HLA's website and promotional materials, much less require them to defend their claim.
While HLA's wilderness program was required to be licensed, HLA remained unlicensed, which is now under investigation again.

Academy at Swift River? I don't know the details, but they remain unlicensed and claim also to be a boarding school. Proud member of NATSAP.

Programs operating as Boarding Schools are exempt, considered private corporations with all the rights that entails. It is very difficult for regulators to gain access to the facility, even when abuse is suspected. Once licensed, they fall under the regulators jurisdiction and they can go in anytime to investigate a complaint.

Yes, regulators can shut down a program or facility, but the situation or conditions has to be pretty horrific. Take for instance Star Ranch RTC in Tx. A child died of suffocation due to restraint. The state continued to place foster kids until a second child died due to a accident a few months later. At that time DFPS revoked their license. The owner planned to request an Administrative Review, last I heard. Their website states its "under construction". http://www.starranch.org/
http://www.isaccorp.org/starranch/star- ... 17.06.html
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... sc&start=0

What does "shutting them down" mean? Well, they can open up with a new name and it's business as usual.

Example: Woodside Trails Wilderness (Tx) shut down, reopened as Eagle Pines Academy claiming to be a private boarding school and exempt from state licensing. Proud member of NATSAP.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... t=woodside
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... t=woodside

Then there is was Skyline Journey (Utah) where my neighbor, Ian August, was killed. Licensed was finally revoked. Opened a program for over 18s called Distant Drums, and after some time passed started accepting adolescents. Proud member of NATSAP.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... ht=skyline

Then there was Camp O'Neal (Ca) 4 or 5 kids killed in an accident. Bobby Christensen (Trott at the time) ordered not to run another facility for youth. Hopped to another state (Oregon) and opened Crater Lake "School". Proud member of NATSAP.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... ight=trott

After Northstar's (Utah) license was revoked following the sadistic killing of Aaron Bacon, Sage Walk (another proud member of NATSAP) hired his killer (Eric Henry), who was under a diversion agreement and ordered not to work for any other programs "for 9 months".
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... nry#116386

That should give you an idea of how the Industry works around regulation.
There are many other similar accounts.

[Deborah]

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Bozeman, MT (406) 585-2580

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Summit Ranch is being designed for youths in crisis from ages 13-18 with psychological, social, family, and behavior problems and students whose emotional and learning problems inhibit their academic success. The facility will provide clinical and educational services within a therapeutic, special purpose boarding school.

There is an increasing recognition that children with emotional and/or behavioral problems constitute a large and growing portion of the American population.

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[Anonymous]

:flame: :evil: :flame:

Next time these shitbags pull off something like that, let's find out about it before five years after the fact, eh?

[Anonymous]

There is an increasing recognition that children with emotional and/or behavioral problems constitute a large and growing portion of the American population.

As long as they keep lowering the bar, now every kid is eligible to be sent away. The concentration camp business is HUGE in the US. Fucking Nazis all around and they don't even know it, smug pieces of shit.

[Froderik]

There is an increasing recognition that children with emotional and/or behavioral problems constitute a large and growing portion of the American population.

As long as they keep lowering the bar, now every kid is eligible to be sent away. The concentration camp business is HUGE in the US. Fucking Nazis all around and they don't even know it, smug pieces of shit.

Our numbers are growing too; slit the throats of the child abusers!
(I meant that metaphorically, of course.)

[Anonymous]

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[Hindsight]

I thought I should say that I was wrong about the Strugglings Teens people down the hall.  I'm not trying to troll here by not being negative, but I was criticizing them based on very little information and the assumptions I was making I don't think were accurate. They are good people there.

[Anonymous]

That's funny! Tell us another one.

[ZenAgent]

I finished watching the story of the Mormons video kind of half-heartedly while I was working.  It looked like Jesus beamed down to earth, caused the Native Americans to go full-wild on whitey, then Race Bannon buried some yellow paper in the dirt for Joe Smith to find.  I refuse to believe I've got to answer to Joe Smith on Judgement Day, althought becoming a polygamous god is tempting.

Nutbags.  Full-on ragin' nutbags responsible for WWASPS.