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« Reply #120 on: September 12, 2006, 02:01:10 PM »
You know what I'm curious about?

How many kids did Sue Scheff refer to WWASPS programs during the time she worked for them?

And what happened with her lawsuit against the WWASPS program her own child was in?  Nobody ever seems to want to talk about that but didn't Sue "sue" CSA and if so, did she prevail in her lawsuit?

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« Reply #121 on: September 12, 2006, 02:58:55 PM »
I'd like to know that too.
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« Reply #122 on: September 12, 2006, 03:34:21 PM »
Forget that; I'd like to know what Sue's wearing right now..
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« Reply #123 on: September 12, 2006, 06:49:23 PM »
What is the obsession, who the hell cares anyway? She won in court twice against WWASPS, isn't that good enough for any of you? I'd like to see how you would fare if you were sued by them. Got a spare million to fight against them, cause that's what it cost her insurance company. It's old news already, why don't you people focus on doing something to help  the kids instead of wasting all this time. It makes no sense.
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« Reply #124 on: September 12, 2006, 06:53:15 PM »
We are trying to help kids.  We're warning their parents about unscrupulous, greedy bitches like Sue Scheff who will sell their souls for a price.
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« Reply #125 on: September 12, 2006, 06:58:11 PM »
I think your focused way too much on this - what about the ed cons that are sending kids to WWASPS every single day - making $50,000 a month doing it. What's up, why isn't everyone warning against them? What about all the other programs, the ed cons, there are tons and tons of them.
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« Reply #126 on: September 12, 2006, 07:02:21 PM »
Yes, WWASPS is bad.  Doesn't mean Sue/PURE is good.  They're not.    Two sides of the same fucking coin.  Quit trying to find Sue disciples here.  She's a greedy fucking bitch with a perverted savior complex.
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« Reply #127 on: September 12, 2006, 07:46:06 PM »
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Yes, WWASPS is bad.  Doesn't mean Sue/PURE is good.  They're not.    Two sides of the same fucking coin.  Quit trying to find Sue disciples here.  She's a greedy fucking bitch with a perverted savior complex.


Isnt this why this thread started?  Didn't the dude say to start the Sue Sheff message board so we can talk about this only and not about programs taht have nothin to do with sue scheff.  :-?
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« Reply #128 on: September 12, 2006, 07:50:44 PM »
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We are trying to help kids.  We're warning their parents about unscrupulous, greedy bitches like Sue Scheff who will sell their souls for a price.


Not exactly twice Isabelle...............................................From the Court

"The Court found that defendants PURE and Sue Scheff, ?[C]ompete with the schools associated with World Wide.  PURE schools pay Ms. Scheff a substantial sum whenever a child enrolls in its program based on her recommendation.?   . . . . In contrast, although winning the defense, Ms. Scheff and PURE lost on all counter-claims against WWASP."
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« Reply #129 on: September 12, 2006, 09:25:21 PM »
Yep.  I think its clear.  We need to smoke 'er out.

George W.
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« Reply #130 on: September 12, 2006, 09:28:40 PM »
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Quote from: ""Guest""
We are trying to help kids.  We're warning their parents about unscrupulous, greedy bitches like Sue Scheff who will sell their souls for a price.

Not exactly twice Isabelle...............................................From the Court

"The Court found that defendants PURE and Sue Scheff, ?[C]ompete with the schools associated with World Wide.  PURE schools pay Ms. Scheff a substantial sum whenever a child enrolls in its program based on her recommendation.?   . . . . In contrast, although winning the defense, Ms. Scheff and PURE lost on all counter-claims against WWASP."


Oh, okay I get it now.  Do you mean this covers her daughters claim of abuse at Carolina Springs Academy?  Is that what you mean by her counterclaim?  Can someone explain?  And what is PACER?  Is it free?  Someone told me you can get court information from it.
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« Reply #131 on: September 12, 2006, 09:31:23 PM »
Quote from: ""the world looks red""
Forget that; I'd like to know what Sue's wearing right now..


Dude have you seen the Google download with her on it.  She called herself a goddess.  Someone on here called her, yea, a RAT FACE GODDESS.  Dude you are sick.
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« Reply #132 on: September 12, 2006, 09:38:45 PM »
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Quote from: ""the world looks red""
Forget that; I'd like to know what Sue's wearing right now..

Dude have you seen the Google download with her on it.  She called herself a goddess.  Someone on here called her, yea, a RAT FACE GODDESS.  Dude you are sick.

No I haven't seen it! I know I am; only Sue can help me!
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« Reply #133 on: September 12, 2006, 10:30:07 PM »
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Quote from: ""the world looks red""
Forget that; I'd like to know what Sue's wearing right now..

Dude have you seen the Google download with her on it.  She called herself a goddess.  Someone on here called her, yea, a RAT FACE GODDESS.  Dude you are sick.

Link, please.
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« Reply #134 on: September 13, 2006, 12:17:16 AM »
CCM, I have just a few questions for you. And no, Im not attacking you.

  • What defines a good program?
  • How can a program be 'good', but still be... a program?
  • How do you justify lock-in forced 'treatment' if nothing if they dont justify for in-patient treatment in a psychiatric hospital morally, and ethically?
  • How can you ethically force treatment on a kid and make it effective?
  • How do you defend the fact that not one program has ever proven its efficacy and that all programs we've seen here boil down to nothing more than isolation and coersion with the intent of creating a regression and a euphoric feeling after the regression so they're easier to indoctrinate, aka "brainwash", dont provide therapy, dont provide any lasting 'fixes', and leave them more messed up than they went in.


Or, gimme the cliffs notes on how a program can still be a program but not abuse them, not lock them up, not isolate them from family and friends and legal representation, and not fuck them up socially and hurt them deeply psycholgoically, but still actually be effective at all... especially when you cant FORCE therapy on anyone, programs only 'work' by breaking them down, and the medical profession has committed itself to "minimal control and discomfort" in treatment - if theyre not a danger to themselves or others, they're not locked up, basically.

You cant MAKE a kid change without resorting to mind control, so what are you saying, that there are some forms of coersion that are ok, and some that are not?

This isnt intended to be an attack or affront at you, just asking you to think about what you say and try to come to terms with the facts about what makes a "program" a "program" and not a "school for kids with problems and/or bad parents who want to ditch them".
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