SUE SCHEFF and ISABELLE ZENDHER (PURE, CAICA, WWASP lawsuit)

[Nihilanthic]

You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.

Until you can define what a good program is, what it does, how it does it, and what necessitates being sent there, please dont even bring it up.

[Anonymous]

You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.

In a behavior modification facility.  33?  Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.

Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.  Your solution is to lock them up?

Dumbass. :roll:

For the record, I don't think you're a dumbass but ya pissed me off by calling me one.  I've lived long enough, through long enough, raised some pretty terrific kids despite some unreal circumstances.  

I have a different opinion than yours, so I'm a dumbass?

[CCM girl 1989]

You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.

In a behavior modification facility.  33?  Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.

Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.  Your solution is to lock them up?

Dumbass. :roll:

Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.

You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.

[Anonymous]

You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.

Fuck off and shut your gaping bloody twat you dumb nigger bitch.

[Anonymous]

Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born!

No, I knew approximately how old you are.

 

BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe I want you to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.

Assuming facts not in evidence.  Where did I say that I was 12?  

You're not going to change my mind.

Wasn't trying to.  I was just stating my opinion and you called me a dumbass for it.

It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities.

Never said it was.

They do exist.

In your opinion.

You are a complete moron if you don't think they do.

Again with the name calling because I think differently than you.


 [qutoe]What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.[/quote]

It has been for a while now.

[CCM girl 1989]

Look dumbass isn't the worst thing I've been called! It's fine, really we all have our opinions.  And for Niles, whatever bud, don't tell me what terms to use and which ones not to. I speak from my mind, heart, and soul I can't control the phrases I use. And if it upsets you, I am real sorry but you do stuff, and say stuff that I don't care for and drives me up a wall at times. Whatever who cares!

[Nihilanthic]

If you cant even begin to define what makes a treatment facility good, what the guidelines are, what it does, how it does it, and what necessitates going there, then how do we even know it exists?

We're asking for an EXAMPLE, CCM. Can you provide one? Can you even talk about what a good program is LIKE? The point here isnt to defend programs, its to talk about willing treatment for kids, and only forced treatment or incarceration when absolutely necessary, not go "oh there is a good one somewhere, go find it, if you cant its your fault".

FYI, the kind of "program" (though I'd be more inclined to call it a halfway house) is the sort that doesnt keep them locked in, have arbitrary rules, levels, take things away, etc, at all.

Its more like a place they can live with NORMAL 'structure' and rules, but theyre free to have friends, go get jobs, and go to school. Yeah, normal 'structure' like cleaning up after themselves and hygene, but not the twisted version of 'structure' people throw around all the time with levels, psycho-emotional bullshit, isolation, levels, bla bla bla.

That would be a 'good program', though the world 'program' is twisted and tained by places calling themselves such for the past 20-30 years. That would do a lot more good than some lockin facility to make them change and grow and throw around buzzwords right and left. dont you think?

[Nihilanthic]

Look dumbass isn't the worst thing I've been called! It's fine, really we all have our opinions.  And for Niles, whatever bud, don't tell me what terms to use and which ones not to. I speak from my mind, heart, and soul I can't control the phrases I use. And if it upsets you, I am real sorry but you do stuff, and say stuff that I don't care for and drives me up a wall at times. Whatever who cares!

Twisted buzzwords make communication difficult.

I prefer speaking clearly and explicitly.

[CCM girl 1989]

You were pretty vague when you said you been in one. Well, I assumed since we were in the WWASPS forum it happened to be a WWASPS facility you were in. Which when you called me little girl it made no sense, blah, blah, blah because I was there in the very beginning. Whatever, I am over it if you are!

[Nihilanthic]

You were pretty vague when you said you been in one. Well, I assumed since we were in the WWASPS forum it happened to be a WWASPS facility you were in. Which when you called me little girl it made no sense, blah, blah, blah because I was there in the very beginning. Whatever, I am over it if you are!

I never said I was in a program, ever. An anon did, who is very much not me.

And no I havent been in a program... unless I mistook who you were talking to.

[CCM girl 1989]

You were pretty vague when you said you been in one. Well, I assumed since we were in the WWASPS forum it happened to be a WWASPS facility you were in. Which when you called me little girl it made no sense, blah, blah, blah because I was there in the very beginning. Whatever, I am over it if you are!

I never said I was in a program, ever. An anon did, who is very much not me.

And no I havent been in a program... unless I mistook who you were talking to.

It was the ANON, sometimes I don't wanna quote because I think I will make the next comment if i hurry quick enough.

[Anonymous]

You were pretty vague when you said you been in one. Well, I assumed since we were in the WWASPS forum it happened to be a WWASPS facility you were in. Which when you called me little girl it made no sense, blah, blah, blah because I was there in the very beginning. Whatever, I am over it if you are!

I called you a little girl cuz ya pissed me off with this....

I didn't say "they are good programs" as in WWASPS! I said there were good programs out in this world, and it's your job, and duty as parents to find them. Now if your saying there are no good programs anywhere then you must still be under the belief and notion that the world is not round, it is flat. Go sell that garbage to someone else.

Because my opinion is not in line with yours I must be a complete asshole who still thinks the world is flat?

Go peddle your garbage about "good programs" somewhere else. :roll:



Niles......dead on. :tup:

[CCM girl 1989]

If you cant even begin to define what makes a treatment facility good, what the guidelines are, what it does, how it does it, and what necessitates going there, then how do we even know it exists?

We're asking for an EXAMPLE, CCM. Can you provide one? Can you even talk about what a good program is LIKE? The point here isnt to defend programs, its to talk about willing treatment for kids, and only forced treatment or incarceration when absolutely necessary, not go "oh there is a good one somewhere, go find it, if you cant its your fault".

FYI, the kind of "program" (though I'd be more inclined to call it a halfway house) is the sort that doesnt keep them locked in, have arbitrary rules, levels, take things away, etc, at all.

Its more like a place they can live with NORMAL 'structure' and rules, but theyre free to have friends, go get jobs, and go to school. Yeah, normal 'structure' like cleaning up after themselves and hygene, but not the twisted version of 'structure' people throw around all the time with levels, psycho-emotional bullshit, isolation, levels, bla bla bla.

That would be a 'good program', though the world 'program' is twisted and tained by places calling themselves such for the past 20-30 years. That would do a lot more good than some lockin facility to make them change and grow and throw around buzzwords right and left. dont you think?

I will do that as soon as you can extend the day by atleast 2 hours thus making it a 26 hour day so I can do all that you are asking me to do.

Believe me. if I had a financial backer that cared about children as much as I did I would create a place, an NO it wouldn't be called Never Neverland lol. Anyway, I would know how to structure it. I know what works, and what doesn't. If I took one thing from my experiences in these places it was getting to know hundreds and hundreds of different girls with all different personalities, and I know what kids need. I know better then most of the people who create these programs.

Anyway, I really got to go! It's been fun.

[Nihilanthic]

I will do that as soon as you can extend the day by atleast 2 hours thus making it a 26 hour day so I can do all that you are asking me to do.

Believe me. if I had a financial backer that cared about children as much as I did I would create a place, an NO it wouldn't be called Never Neverland lol. Anyway, I would know how to structure it. I know what works, and what doesn't. If I took one thing from my experiences in these places it was getting to know hundreds and hundreds of different girls with all different personalities, and I know what kids need. I know better then most of the people who create these programs.

Anyway, I really got to go! It's been fun.

Sorry CCMgirl, but the onus is on you.

You're telling us generally "I know", but wont say. This is what
WWASPS does.

You HAVE to enumerate and you HAVE to explain what you're saying, otherwise, you're 'fulla shit'.

Im sorry to do this, Im really not out to get you or gaslight you, but you're spewing generalized nonsense, not explaining a bit of it, and not really making any sense.

Also, could you at least breifly tell me if you agree w/ith the "halfway house" idea, or are you more in favor of lock-in, closed institutions?

[CCM girl 1989]

Real quick, I like the halfway house idea. But, there needs to be rules, and structure. You should have someone who lives on premise. You should also have some kind of life coach that can help direct/guide you. As a teenager you are not equipped with the wisdom of how the world works.

Sometimes, kids that are really fucked up by their parents and upbringing need to be in a controlled enviroment to prevent them from doing harm to themselves, or others. Until they can get themselves under control, they shouldn't be allowed to have the freedom to wander on and off campus.

It's not their fault, it's their parents fault. In the end kids pay the price. I am sorry there is nothing I can do about it. It's the parents who are to blame. Not me.