More bullshit advice from ST

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Just provide her with the appropriate citations and be done with it.

it's already been done.  that has nothing to do with anything - it's just an excuse.

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plus. look at the emails.  in the SAME EMAIL she says "provide the cites" and then says "since you didn't provide the cites..."

IT'S THE SAME EMAIL!  how in the heck can someone respond to an emial before it's even sent?  ridiculous.  she just made the ban happen b/c the poster had the goods and they will not allow it to be posted, period.

[ZenAgent]

ST rejected me for the online I.D. I picked...RX_4_JESUS.  They didn't like it.

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If they even suspect you read or post over here, you'll be denied or banned immediately.   They're not interested in open dialogue.  All they want to do is sell programs.

[ZenAgent]

I'll hand out citations to her...a citation for pig-headed thuggery...a citation for conspiring to commit child abuse and murder...

[ZenAgent]

Could this person be "Mose"?  From ST, where I go to stave off the pangs of appetite before lunch.

MOSES JOINS PACIFIC QUEST
(April 12, 2006) Suzanne McKinney, MA, Consultant Liaison, Pacific Quest, Hawaii, 808-937-5806, announced that Hilary Moses, MSW, LCSW, is the new Counseling Director. Moses spent the last four years working for SUWS Adolescent and Youth Programs, initially as a field instructor, then as a therapist, and most recently as Clinical Director.

[Anonymous]

I read a review of an interesting new book called "Shutting Out the Sun"  by Michael Zielenziger.  "Japan struggles to understand a dysfunctional generation" It is about Japanese youth who have "fallen off the conveyor belt" of society's expectations.  They are called "hiki-komori" and live at home afraid to face the outside world.  The book says the ostracism  "often begins around middle-school age with bullying, shunning or vicious teasing by an adolescent clique.  Parents and teachers usually take no action and may even blame the bullied child viewing it as the child's job to learn to adjust and fit in. If the child instead descends into seculsion and depression the response of the family is to keep up appearances by ignoring the outcast.  IN some cases, direct communication ceases; meals are left on a tray at the bedroom door...."

This whole mindset is more than a "malaise" its a real dis-ease as parents are more at ease bowing to society rather than embracing their children.  I should write to the dude and tell him that here we take our "hiki-komori" and jail and torture them until, by god, they conform.  No hiding out at home with meals, tv etc. Nope its back on that old conveyor belt.  I am sure its only a matter of time before the enterprising Japanese (or, more likely, a western investor) jumps on that bandwagon.

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HappyTheyreAlive
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                               posted October 23, 2006 11:24 AM                  
                                   

                              My daughter took off last night and did not come
                              home. She left after I told her she could not go
                              out and she said that she was leaving for good. I
                              suspect she spent the night with a boy we did not
                              want her to see, given that he has a criminal
                              record. She called this morning to say she was
                              safe and with friends that I know (although she
                              would not tell me who) and she would come home
                              sometime today and did I still love her?

                              My cynical side says that she called to forestall
                              our calling the police and getting the guy into
                              trouble. She is still only 17 but we have been
                              dealing with her issues since she was 12. She has
                              started drinking a lot recently. She has been
                              drunk the four nights before last.

                              I did not sleep much last night. It was
                              reminiscent of the numerous other times she ran
                              away when she was 13 and the time she ran away
                              when she was 15. The last time she ran (at age 15)
                              she was attacked by a drug dealer and also was
                              dangerously intoxicated. So you can imagine what
                              scenarios my mind generated last night.

                              What to do now? She is still not out of high
                              school. She is attending an independent study
                              program now which does not provide a lot of
                              structure. She has applied for jobs but turned
                              down the only job offer she got because it was too
                              boring. My husband and I have decided to cut off
                              her money and sell her car. We cannot afford
                              another program (we have already paid for several
                              RTCs) and we are not sure we can have her live
                              with us without following our rules but we also do
                              not think we can give up and let her make her own
                              way. I do not think I can live with myself if she
                              is attacked again.

                              I got the name of a therapist for me this morning.
                              Just when I thought I had lived through all the
                              pain I could tolerate with her-- the pain is
                              rushing back in.

                              Posts: 77 | From: los angeles | Registered: Nov
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gee, you mean THE PROGRAM didn't work?  who woulda thunk it?

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Could this person be "Mose"?  From ST, where I go to stave off the pangs of appetite before lunch.

MOSES JOINS PACIFIC QUEST
(April 12, 2006) Suzanne McKinney, MA, Consultant Liaison, Pacific Quest, Hawaii, 808-937-5806, announced that Hilary Moses, MSW, LCSW, is the new Counseling Director. Moses spent the last four years working for SUWS Adolescent and Youth Programs, initially as a field instructor, then as a therapist, and most recently as Clinical Director.

as of the 18th, mose ("the abortionist") was still posting from a new york city road runner node, so it's doubtful.

[ZenAgent]

Ah, well.  The way ST is, he's probably some cat who thinks he's  the biblical Moses, laying commandments down on Fornits heathens.

[Anonymous]

If you knew the type of parent I'm dealing with, you would encourage the child to sue.  This is all an ego trip, with the intention of destroying the one child who had the guts to stand up to him and say "no more".  The child's reward was an abusive wilderness/boot camp.  We have no intention of allowing the child to stay until she finishes the program just so she can sue.  I can't give you all the details of what this demonic fuck parent has done, but it would shock even you.

It would not shock me: my daughter's demon fuck parent used, abused and then abandoned her.  He had her kidnapped by two goons and sent off to CEDU at the age of 13 where she was thrown into the high school synanon shithole,  not allowed to pee, kept awake, screamed at, called every filthy name in the book, pressured to "confess dirt",  (she had none; she was very innocent, getting excellent grades, not doing anything at all worrisome like drinking, staying out past curfew etc...he was just pissed because she did not want to live with him because, well because he was a demonic fuck parent) made to listen to all manner of shocking crap.  Since I am her bio-mom and had joint custody I was able to have her released but it took three weeks and the damage was very great. When she was released to me her father ceased contact with her for the next four years. She suffered severely for years, finally had a psychotic break because of it and was never the same.  She heard voices from CEDU calling her stupid, whore etc., hallucinated (and NOT on drugs) visits from a friend of hers from CEDU who had died when she jumped out of a car.  She struggled courageously for years but one day she just walked off into the woods and hanged herself.  I have posted this several times here because I want to remind people that the damage done to kids can be soooooooooooo long lasting...of course a lot depends on their support system and what kind of crap they have to deal with when they get out.  She was always trying to win her father's affection and approval even though she was angry with him but, like I said, he is a demonic fuck.  Parent is a word he doesn't deserve.  And I am not a just a bitter ex.  I take full responsibility for any failure in our marraige and anything done to me just goes with the territory; you just take responsibilty, learn and move on but when someone fuck's with a child in order to hurt that child and the child's parent they are so far beneath contempt.  He didn't even believe in it like these "Christian" torturers do; it was just a way to punish us.  I will never stop regretting that I did not sue the shit out of all of them back then ( and had the kidnappers arrested) but I was overwhelmed with trying to help her and the custody case which took 6 months and included a suspeneded jail sentence for contempt (on his part) and had no money and lived amost 400 miles away.  There is an unquenchable rage in my heart that not even the angry little emoticons can express.

I really hope you are successful in getting your child out; you sound like much more of a parent than the bios.  Good luck.

[ZenAgent]

I am so sorry. The horrors you mention strike close to home for us.   Our child has always wanted the father's approval, but everything has to be precisely on his terms, or he unleashes a screaming, obscene tirade, usually fueled by a whole lot of alcohol.

Now we're fighting the same battle you went through.  Every letter I get from the child makes my blood run cold.  She's strong, I just hope she can remain strong long enough to get her out of the hell she's in and into some real therapy that doesn't involve a treatment team from the Josef Mengele institute.

Once again, I'm sorry about your daughter, I can't imagine the loss.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for your kind thoughts.  If she knows you are fighting to get her out that should help her a lot.  The hard part is going to be when she does get out, how brainwashed she was and dealing with PTSD.  I know you have fewer rights as a "step" parent but I wish you prevail.  Is there any hope of the court ordering a psychic eval on the sperm donor?  I wasn't able to get one on mine although he is a text book narcissist; sounds like good old dad is more of a sociopath.
The loss is indecribable; she was such a great human being and I miss her so much.   I am praying that your situation has a different ending. Hang in there and don't ever give up.

[Anonymous]

I meant "psych"; not psychic

[ZenAgent]

Oh, God, I would pity the poor psychic who had to get into THAT head.  That's a good idea, though.  

We've given as much encouraging info as we can, but BM programs hate to hear a dissenting opinion.  A child with hope of getting out is not easily broken down, and damn, that annoys the shit out of a programmer.

It's been mentioned jokingly on here, but tonight I wish I could fly up there and break her out.  Your loss has made me think about...why we need to get her out with a quickness.  We won't give up.  Thanks.