I don't get it.

[Anonymous]

In an afluent society, that parents and businessmen can create child suffering where it did not exist befor, for cash and amusement.

[Oz girl]

On 2006-07-09 03:40:00, MightyAardvark wrote:

"The hardest thing for me is accepting that there is nothing I can do to protect these kids. The best we can hope for is justice after the fact which is rather less satisfying. Justice doesn't get you your childhood back.



Apropos of nothing, It just felt relevant.
"

Are there any kind of freely available proper mental health or couselling services for alumni of BTS & wilderness programmes who feel they are not coping?

[MightyAardvark]

now then pls help that is a plan!

[Anonymous]

Yes but you can pay those who are relatively well off to create suffering where it did not exist before.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-07-06 15:53:00, Anonymous wrote:


Your premise seems to be that generally, kids are doing fine. The numbers say otherwise. Look at suicide rates and studies on isolation (adults and kids): there is cause for alarm. "

I'm still waiting for this poster to cite their source for this.  I won't be holding my breath.  These people never back up what they say.  They just spew out a bunch of their opinions and state it as fact but when you challenge them on it, they disappear!  

So, I'll be patiently waiting.  Waiting for this poster to come back and show me those numbers. :roll:

[Anne Bonney]

On 2006-07-10 08:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

On 2006-07-06 15:53:00, Anonymous wrote:



Your premise seems to be that generally, kids are doing fine. The numbers say otherwise. Look at suicide rates and studies on isolation (adults and kids): there is cause for alarm. "

I'm still waiting for this poster to cite their source for this.  I won't be holding my breath.  These people never back up what they say.  They just spew out a bunch of their opinions and state it as fact but when you challenge them on it, they disappear!  



So, I'll be patiently waiting.  Waiting for this poster to come back and show me those numbers. :roll:"

Woops, mine.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-07-09 06:28:00, Pls help wrote:

"

On 2006-07-09 03:40:00, MightyAardvark wrote:


"The hardest thing for me is accepting that there is nothing I can do to protect these kids. The best we can hope for is justice after the fact which is rather less satisfying. Justice doesn't get you your childhood back.





Apropos of nothing, It just felt relevant.

"

Are there any kind of freely available proper mental health or couselling services for alumni of BTS & wilderness programmes who feel they are not coping? "

Yes, depending on where you live.

I'll give my own experience below, but it would apply to any post-program adults having trouble coping.  Since they're having trouble coping, traceable to one big earth-shattering experience, just about all of them would meet the diagnostic criteria for PTSD.

It's not free, but can be damned close to it if that's what you need.

When I was horribly suicidal and working as a temporary secretary, I couldn't afford jack in the way of treatment.

Lucky for me, I lived and worked in metro Atlanta (Dekalb County, at the time).  A number of metro Atlanta counties, and probably counties in other major metro areas, have a county mental health department.

The deal is that if you have mental health problems, they get you in with a real, honest-to-God, ethical therapist.  If you need it, they get you in with a psychiatrist, but the wait for an appointment can be kinda long.  Then you pay based on a sliding scale that takes your income and figures your ability to pay.

I paid $11 per session some years ago.  A girl I know who's parents are just hanging on to their apartment by their fingernails are paying $4 per session.  I was an adult, so depending on where you live, it's not only for minors.

If you're sick and you can't afford help, living in a big city's metro area is, hands down, the best option.  Metro areas frequently have good social services, but someone who needs them should check on what the services are before they move.

It's technically playing the system, but not really.  Shortly after getting good treatment, I was able to get a much better job, with health insurance, which paid my pshrink bills and meant I started paying far more into the system than I ever took out of it.  So on balance, Dekalb County made a whopping profit from treating me, and Georgia and the Feds benefitted even more.

They get you coping, you get a decent job and start paying taxes, chances are you don't move, so you pay those taxes in that county, everybody wins.

Julie

[Deborah]

AB, the poster will not cite anything, because there is no data to support the claim. S/he has probably figured that out by now if s/he went looking for it.
Now, s/he might come back with a quote from a rehab, NIMH, or some such organization that stands to gain from selling "treatment".

Look at these:
Why has the youth suicide rate gone so high in recent years?
http://www.aap.org/advocacy/childhealth ... uicide.htm

Each year, almost 5,000 young people, ages 15 to 24, kill themselves. The rate of suicide for this age group has nearly tripled since 1960
http://www.nmha.org/infoctr/factsheets/82.cfm

Over the last several decades, the suicide rate in young people has increased dramatically.
http://www.childrenshospital.org/az/Sit ... 672P0.html

Just a few of probably millions. They should be fined for printing fraudulent, misleading, fear mongering information- for personal gain.

[MightyAardvark]

but the suicide rate is down or did i miss something?

[Deborah]

Yes, the suicide rate has been decreasing for almost a decade. That is not what those who gain from fear would like parents to know. Notice that some of the sites are geared toward teens, but quote suicide stats for 10-24 year olds. If you want stats closer to reality you should go to the CDC and avoid all the other claims.

[Oz girl]

Even if the suicide rate were sky high, & americas children were all budding drug addicts and felons, I think that this debate gets away from the wider philosophical principal of whether anyone has the moral right to force kids to disclose their most private thoughts to their peers & whether or not this actually serves any therapudic purpose.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-07-11 04:20:00, Pls help wrote:

"Even if the suicide rate were sky high, & americas children were all budding drug addicts and felons, I think that this debate gets away from the wider philosophical principal of whether anyone has the moral right to force kids to disclose their most private thoughts to their peers & whether or not this actually serves any therapudic purpose.

"

o/~ When we grew up and went to school
there were certain teachers
who would hurt the children any way they could.

By pouring their derision
upon anything we did
exposing every weakness
however carefully hidden by the kid

But in town it was well known
when they got home at night
their fat and psychopathic wives
would thrash them within inches of their lives

We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teacher leave those kids alone

Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone!

All in all you're just another brick in the wall. o/~

Just about says it all, doesn't it.

Forced disclosure = sadistic bastards

Julie