Misbehaviors Did Not Exist at The Seed

[Anonymous]

It is very interesting to read the difference between The Seed and Straight in early 1980. the Seed was much more of a psychological, deep, deep brainwashing trip than Straight. There were no misbehaviors at The Seed because the staff could read people's mind instantly, so staff and long-time oldcommers knew right away if a newcommer was even thinking of playing games. The raps were immidiately directed at the thought sa newcommer was habing to avoid any and all misbehaviors.

It seems that Straight was a lot more unprofessional than the Seed, which makes a lot of sense since Art Barker was pretty much the brians behing the thearpy at The Seed, which was later distorted by parents and kids that really did not know the secret behind the techniques being used.

Also, at The Seed there was a trinity like mystiqye behind three very powerful people there, Art, Shelly and Lybbi who seem to have a very deep awarenes of human anture. The Seed was serious business compares to Straight--The standards at The Seed were much much higher and, therefore, it was unheard of for so many kids to even be mmisbehaving at once. It just did not exist there.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-07-08 15:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"There were no misbehaviors at The Seed







It seems that Straight was a lot more unprofessional than the Seed,







 The Seed was serious business compares to Straight--The standards at The Seed were much much higher  

"

People at the Seed were Pussies

 ::fuckoff::  ::fuckoff::  ::fuckoff::  ::fuckoff::  ::fuckoff::  ::fuckoff::  ::both::

[Dr Fucktard]

This is the most ridiculous crock of shit I've ever heard!  :flame:

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps you drank too much of their 'Kool Aid' & that's why this 'trinity' seemed so "powerful" and "deeply aware" to you? :rofl:

[Anonymous]

It is too bad you cannot have a serious discussion related to the differences between the 2. There were rarely misbehaviors at The Seed, and if there was once throught its many successful years of existence, it was taken care of immidiately in the group or in the back office. There was no special time-out room, people were not restrained physically, etc. The 80's were much more, as I said before, a psychological trip at The Seed than anything else. And yes I do not beleive that the people who took Art's ideas were able to implement thme in as much of a deep life changing way for the clients. Did Straight make more money while they restrained kids in there? Yes, I'm sure that they made more of a "Name" for themselves, but beleive me unless you experienced The Seed you will never know the true meening of true awareness, real friendship bonds, and a life-changing experience. Now that it is over, many recognize that there was non other and never will be another like The Seed in Firt Lauderderdale, regardless of it imperfections.

[starry-eyed pirate]

Whoa man!  You can have it.  I don't even want it anyway.

I totally believe that Art and them had way more charisma than the leaders at the $tr8 cult did. $tr8 had to make up for the lack of such charismatic leadership with brute force.  The seed may have been more subtle, and therefore harder to root out; harder to detach from. $tr8 was mentally and physically harsher but it was way more obvious that we were bein' mind-raped and therefore perhaps less confusing than the seed.  At least I can see the chains on me.  Dig what I'm sayin ??



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On 2006-07-09 09:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It is too bad you cannot have a serious discussion related to the differences between the 2. There were rarely misbehaviors at The Seed, and if there was once throught its many successful years of existence, it was taken care of immidiately in the group or in the back office. There was no special time-out room, people were not restrained physically, etc. The 80's were much more, as I said before, a psychological trip at The Seed than anything else. And yes I do not beleive that the people who took Art's ideas were able to implement thme in as much of a deep life changing way for the clients. Did Straight make more money while they restrained kids in there? Yes, I'm sure that they made more of a "Name" for themselves, but beleive me unless you experienced The Seed you will never know the true meening of true awareness, real friendship bonds, and a life-changing experience. Now that it is over, many recognize that there was non other and never will be another like The Seed in Firt Lauderderdale, regardless of it imperfections."

Hell....IT sounds like you still have a passion for that place. They must have mind raped you to no extreme for their psco-babble to still be spewing from your mind as well as your finger tips.

At least we here from Str8 acknowledge that we were abused and well, it just seems you were mind-washed.

The passion in which you talk about the people and that place is like that of some one who was held hostage and fell in love with their captor. Police officers see this type of behavior with some victims of more violent ctimes like rape fo instance.

The sad part is some of these people have a hard time of letting go. Like a woman who is in a physically abusive relationship but defends the man to no end......"Sick"

[GregFL]

No misbehaviors at the seed?


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

What a fantasy that is.  The routinely sent kids off to jail or Juvy that wouldn't comply, called in the parents to smack them around, thru kids down hard to the pavement for trying to escape, and verbally abused the shit out of people who wouldn't comply. Kids escaped. Kids broke for the doors. Kids got up and screamed. Kids cuts themsleves by breaking off pieces of the chairs.  In additon, they did, a la any weird cult, believe they had hyper awareness and could "read your mind".  This is where the straight "awareness" concept came from.

Someone isn't remembering very well....

[starry-eyed pirate]

Well I haven't any seed-time experience from which to draw, but I have gone onto the seed board and asked around a little about the differences between the 2 and it seems to me that maybe in the beginning the seed was as this anon describes and then changed with time.  Could that be ...??

[Carmel]

Unprofessional?

As opposed to professional mind rape?


 :wstupid:

"beleive me unless you experienced The Seed you will never know the true meening of true awareness, real friendship bonds, and a life-changing experience."

Yeah, no one is capable of truly understanding these things without a class "A" mind warp from a cult.  Gotcha.

 ::troll:: [ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2006-07-10 06:23 ]

[Anonymous]

On 2006-07-09 21:23:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:

"Well I haven't any seed-time experience from which to draw, but I have gone onto the seed board and asked around a little about the differences between the 2 and it seems to me that maybe in the beginning the seed was as this anon describes and then changed with time.  Could that be ...??"

If anything, as the seed changed into less of a straight like drug rehab and more of a creepy personality cult, the people involved if anything were more affected.  They left their homes and families, forgoed plans to marry and have kids, and hung around that dingy warehouse for years and years trying to become 'homo-superior' and the 'seed army'.

I wouldn't trade my 7 months in seed hell with them for anything. Devoting your life to a doomed cause is about the worse thing I can think of.

So, yes the seed of the 80s was way different than the seed I was part of and the straight, inc you guys know and loathe.  But it wasn't "better" by any stretch of the imagination.  It was just more cult less rehab.


EDIT:  THAT WAS ME..forgot to log in.  Sorry

GREGFL

[Antigen]

I get your meaning, anon, about the Holy Trinity affect of Art, Shelly and Lybbi. Never did hear much from Shelly, though. She was just sort of... there, Art's very young bride in the background while Lybbi was all about running the show, ya know?

The Seed was all about taking over the world. At least that was the initial plan. And it seemed to be going along ok, till the funding fell through. Although Straight never was such a potent spirital trip, they certainly were more proficient at the taking over the world part of the thing. While Art recoiled at the very idea of government mandates to go along with the government funding, the Semblers and whomever else was calling the shots was right up on that game. "Don't hate the government, become the government" seems to have been their guiding theory.

So here we are now w/ very Program-like philosophy and policy guiding public policy on so many levels it's crazy-making.

When elephants ? ght, it is the grass that suffers.

http://jonathangullible.com/translations/UK_Comnt040222.pdf' target='_new'>Kikuyu proverb

[Anonymous]

It is too bad you cannot have a serious discussion related to the differences between the 2. There were rarely misbehaviors at The Seed, and if there was once throught its many successful years of existence, it was taken care of immidiately in the group or in the back office. There was no special time-out room, people were not restrained physically, etc. The 80's were much more, as I said before, a psychological trip at The Seed than anything else. And yes I do not beleive that the people who took Art's ideas were able to implement thme in as much of a deep life changing way for the clients. Did Straight make more money while they restrained kids in there? Yes, I'm sure that they made more of a "Name" for themselves, but beleive me unless you experienced The Seed you will never know the true meening of true awareness, real friendship bonds, and a life-changing experience. Now that it is over, many recognize that there was non other and never will be another like The Seed in Firt Lauderderdale, regardless of it imperfections.

Interesting. Was The Seed voluntary? If not, how did they have no misbehavers? I mean specifically, if someone seemed like they were on the outs, what did The Seed do to them?

[GregFL]

The seed was anything but voluntary.

Hey, great new format Ginger!!!!!


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[Anonymous]

You need to get humble.

[Anonymous]

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