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Offline Antigen

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Hitler Youth influence?
« on: June 27, 2006, 06:05:00 PM »
Hey folks,
My buddy Three Springs Waygookin has been asking about Hitler Youth influence on the Program. I knew there was some chat about that somewhere around here awhile back. Anybody remember that?

Here's the x-post:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =52&Sort=D

We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2006, 06:51:00 AM »
Wow thats hilarious.   I just cant stop laughing.
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2006, 08:04:00 AM »
I watched Arts house a lot (every weekend during the beach football games) during my last few years (early 80's) and I was never told to stay out of anything - just my own sense of common courtesy of not going into the bedrooms, etc. - but the the rest of the place was open to me.  

I felt free to peruse Arts library at will, and did.  The only Hitler related book I remember was "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" or somthing to that effect (read that at home long before I went to the Seed), not a collection of stuff.

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2006, 08:56:00 AM »
Eudora...Here you go again stir stir stir that pot & see what else you can come up with.

 :silly:
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2006, 02:38:00 PM »
Have to agree with Johnny G.

I spent a lot of time in Art's house too, and the books were mysteries, thrillers, and books about sailing - nothing esoteric.

I just read Mya Szalavitz' book too, and while I think she has some great first person accounts from Straight and other treatment centers, I don't think her Seed stuff is entirely accurate.

Obviously, Art copied a lot of the Seed's format from AA, which in turn copied from the Oxford Group and Frank Buchman's Moral Rearmament group (how come no one is interested in this? - this is the real origin of all of this stuff). Art did say he had worked at Bellvue, in NY, a notorious asylum. I never heard of any Synanon connection unless Bellvue was experimenting with these techniques.

Hitler Youth is kind of silly. Art was a veteran and fought the Nazis..."Art's Army" was meant to be a wholesome, anti-counterculture group and in that way reflected the ideals of the pre-Nazi german youth movement (Boy Scouts, similar).

So, look elsewhere. Look to the creepy Frank Buchanan, for Christ's sake!
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2006, 07:11:00 AM »
Hmm yea I dont recall anything that I could associate with the Nazi regime.  
   
   Where Nazi Germany was (understatement) intolerant of other races Jews Negros etc I remember my time at the seed as being very non denominational and such that we embraced all races and creeds as brothers and equals.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2006, 08:44:00 AM »
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Where Nazi Germany was (understatement) intolerant of other races Jews Negros etc I remember my time at the seed as being very non denominational and such that we embraced all races and creeds as brothers and equals.


Well, things changed. I think the only things Art and my dad had in common were atheism and a gift for story telling. But tolerance? Aw, come on! It was Art's way and view or no way at all. Homo Superior... yeah... right...

A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2006, 09:49:00 AM »
Then you sound like you could be Art's kid.  If the apple dosn't fall far from the tree.  Actually I think it might have hit you on the head... and I think it was a very heavy apple...
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2006, 08:16:00 PM »
art wasnt an aethiest.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2006, 11:29:00 PM »
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On 2006-07-03 17:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"art wasnt an aethiest. "

 :rofl:

It ain't necicarily so
It ain't necicarily so
The things that you're lible
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so

Well Jonah he lived in a whale
Jonah he lived in a whale
He made his home in that fishe's abdomen
Well Jonah he lived in a whale

It ain't necicarily so
It ain't necicarily so
The things that you're lible
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so

When we are pleading with foreign governments to stop the flow of cocaine, it is the height of hypocrisy for the US to export tobacco.  Years from now, our nation will look back on this application of free trade policy and find it scandalous.

1989 testimony before the US Trade Representative,September 1989
--Surgeon General, Everett Koop

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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2006, 12:17:00 PM »
what does this response mean?
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2006, 12:19:00 PM »
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"what does this response mean? "


She was laughing hysterically at the assertion that Art wasn't an atheist.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2006, 01:09:00 PM »
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On 2006-07-03 17:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"art wasnt an aethiest. "


Wasn't or Isn't.

Then or now?  There is a big difference. And how come you know so much anyway?
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2006, 09:27:00 PM »
probably because i've spent time around him. he believes in god. not any of the religions. but does believe in a surpreme being. not that i think this matters. i was just correcting the assertion that he's an aethiest. that would be in accurate. he wasnt an aethiest, and up till the last couple years wasnt. beyond that i couldnt say because i havent spoken with him in the last few years, but i doubt he changed.
also he would have told someone that being an aethiest isnt a good thing. he believed (believes?) that you should believe in a higher power, surpreme being, god etc.
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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2006, 06:44:00 AM »
Eudora is quoting lyric from a song written by a pair of the greatest songwriters who ever lived.   George and Ira Gershwyn.  The song is from a play called Porgy and Bess.

  It is a pretty long stretch to claim that anyone belives literally in the lyric of a song which they sing.

   In other words.   If I sing "Sweet Home Alabama" does mean that I believe that I was born in Alabama?

   Sorry.   It just ain't necessarily so.   :smile:
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