Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Facility Question and Answers
Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
tommyfromhyde1:
--- Quote ---On 2006-06-25 02:23:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"In my experience the cult like aspects of the program are not the ones that effect the child. They don't need to be. Trapped in a situation and entirely at the mercy of their keepers for an undetermined amount of time eventually the kid is going to break so the cult like aspect is unimportant.
The Cult-like activity is much more significant in the program-parent interaction as the program needs to gain and maintain control over the thinking processes of a grown adult who can walk out at any time. Therefore inmho the most cultlike group is WWASPS using the Gilcrease model seminars.
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To expand on the program-parent thing, at Hyde the demands for money were a big part of that. Hyde also used parent seminars and most of those were also pitches for "donations" - over and above what the parents were paying for the already high tuition. In addition to enriching the Hyde people, the "donations" were intended to prove the parents' commitment to Hyde and lack of same could cause your kid to be treated horribly (as I learned). But the more money a parent gave to Hyde, the more they got sucked into the program themselves and the less likely they were to listen to their kids.
As to "the most cultlike" I gotta go with Odie. Synanon is the only rehab cult I know of that got an inmate to commit murder for them.
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(Like the cover of an old book,
Its contents worn out,
And scripts of it's lettering and gilding)
Lies Here, food for worms!
Yet the work itself shall not be lost,
For it will, as he believed, appear once more
In a new
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Corrected and amended
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MightyAardvark:
--- Quote ---On 2006-06-25 16:24:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"That is one scary looking little bastard. Still other than your opinion MA what supporting facts do you have to report to support your claim?
I cannot see how a man of any large degree of humorous perception can ever be religious -- unless he purposely shut the eyes of his mind and keep them shut by force.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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My nomination is based on the following... Every other program conditions it's inmates through various interpretations of milieu control. It's not hard to get people to internalise your ideas when you hold almost limitless power over them.
Therefore the inmate murders etc are less impressive as a demonstration of technical skill than, say persuading an intelligent and articulate parents to voluntarily part with $40000 of ther hard earned money to have their kids treated like criminals. WWASPS conditions parents without recourse to the most important supporting principle of thought reform and that my friends is pretty fucking scary.
MightyAardvark:
With reference back to the original question, neither of those two things (freakaleak ceremonies or homicides) are intrinsic features of cults or cult-like organisations. While I agree that both of those organisations are really scary they are still less cult like than wwasps.
MightyAardvark:
You're right that is remarkably unsettling.
I think we might have a case for separate catagories here.
Fornits cultiness award for best programming techniques goes to...(sound of opening envelope)... David Gilcrease of WWASPS
Fornits Cultiness award for most bizarre practices goes to CEDU....
LauraLee:
I hear Hyde is pretty cult-like.
I almost got sent there... *phew*
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