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« Reply #257 on: September 01, 2006, 08:14:56 AM »
Right, I get the "confront your fears" and "put it all behind you" pop-psych type reasoning...and no offense, but I say TO HELL WITH IT! If this is supposed to be a memorial then let it be a memorial and not some nightmare trip down memory lane.....having this at 5515 would be analogous to some Jewish people having a memorial service at Dachau!

Burke Lake Park (for instance) sounds infinitely better than doing this thing near THE BUILDING...
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« Reply #258 on: September 01, 2006, 10:05:47 AM »
I think Jewish people do have memorial services at Dachau.  Anyway I like the idea of havin' the service at Burke Lake.  That's one 'a' my ol' druggie hang-outs and the place I was tryin' to run to when I bolted from my oldcomer on my first day.  Maybe we should move the service to Burke Lake.  That would remove the uncertainty of gathering on private property altogether.  How late does the park stay open ??  Maybe someone in Fairfax Co. could look into it....would we need a permit ?? etc.

Yeah, thanks Frank...I like the sound of the park much better than the building...
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« Reply #259 on: September 01, 2006, 03:11:46 PM »
I really like park events ;-)
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« Reply #261 on: September 02, 2006, 09:05:14 AM »
I have to ask.. So, didn't Phasers take outings at Burke Lake? That's kinda creepy.. :-? LOL.
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« Reply #262 on: September 02, 2006, 10:31:04 AM »
Phasers also went to schools, churches, shopping centers, and other events, as well as "permissions" to the lake.  Although I understand and sympathize with those who do not wish to have the memorial at the scene of the crime,  I think that NOT having the memorial service at the lake because "phasers went on outings there" is knuckling under, depriving ourselves of our freedom to go wherever we wish and assemble there peaceably.  Denying ourselves our right to go somewhere for that kind of reason would be allowing Straight to have too much influence in our lives, which is in essence, exactly what we are both mourning (for those that Straight influenced to the point of death) and hopefully, beginning to heal.

Personally, I'd like to have the memorial on Mel Sembler's or Miller Newton's front lawn, if I didn't have enough respect for our dead to keep me from wanting to besmirch a solemn occasion such as this by having it in close proximity to either of those vile and disgusting criminal child abusers.

Which brings me to another point I would like to add---This memorial is for US, as we remember our friends and family members, both living and dead, who have suffered, and, all too often, continue to suffer due to wounds physical, emotional, spiritual,  and psychological.  I don't think we need to turn this into a protest or pep rally, this is not about identifying and blaming the perpetrators--we know who they are and what they did, and they know that we know.  This is about us and our healing process, about remembering our lost friends, about mourning their untimely departure from this world.  It is also, I believe, for the wounded that Straight produced by the score:  The scared, lonely woman who calls you late at night with traumatic memories and frightened thoughts; the guy who can't hold a job because he can't deal with the paranoia he feels when he's outside his house; the man who hasn't been able to find happiness in his personal relationships because he only knows how to express himself by "confronting" others; the guy who is haunted by nightmares about being back in Straight; the woman who resigns herself to being a drug addict because it was drilled into her that she was :powerless over drugs" and now believes she is doomed to a life of addiction because she is a "druggie whore piece of shit"; the people who can't cope with daily life because of the traumatic incidents that they experienced in Straight,; the guys and girls who held such promise at one time, but who are now scarred shadows of their former selves; these are the people that I will mourn alongside the dead;  these are the people who still stand, perhaps barely, as an example of the horrendous crimes that were not only committed against us, but were committed against us in the name    of "love", "honesty", "empathy and sensitivity", and "spirituality".  These are the wounds that we have suffered, individually and collectively,   inflicted on us by evil doers and blind fanatics who had and have no regard for the pain they have caused.  I will mourn the dead and wounded, but I will also take hope and comfort in the presence of so many of us who survived the ordeal, those who are still alive, those that while struggling perhaps, continue to go forward,  minute by minute, reclaiming their lives, therir minds, and their dignity as human beings.  I will take solace in the fact that in spite of the damage done by Straight, we the living can and must carry on, to not only survive, but to thrive; to be a bright beacon of hope to those still suffering; to show all the world, among them those who have committed atrocities against us, that we were not defeated, we were not destroyed, we will not be silenced nor intimidated, we will embody the resilience of the human spirit, we will continue to heal, to learn, to grow, and to live[/b].
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« Reply #263 on: September 02, 2006, 10:52:26 AM »
woah! Horsey. Stop the drama! I never said.. don't have it there!  It's just a memory that belongs to me and I was asking if it was an accurate one..... See, I remember other places too; malls, and other places. As I was posting that.. Potomac Mills and Cameron Run came to mind.. Walt Witman and etc came to mind (all creepy places to me).  I suppose when you spent so much time Not doing what Phasers did... You tend to take note of the things  you're not going to go out of your way  to do in life This aside, I would still be there, I never said I wouldn't because of any choosen place. I was just  amused for a moment that the place being discussed was a very specific place that Outings were given.... ROFL. It was a Straight approved outing site..was it not? Member, I was asking.... LOL

I see, I am easily amused  :P

I agree w/ you tho.. The Sembler's lawn, Newton Church is ideal  :P I was also thinking of places like.. The rehab L3slie Murd3n spews her poison at still today(what an ideal place to remember those who suffered), Mel Riddl3s High School, Dr.Pug's Office ......
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« Reply #264 on: September 02, 2006, 10:57:38 AM »
Sorry, that was me.

Anyhow, none of those places were the scene of the crime, as I never got any outings... cept that 1 Doctor's office visit. They are just creepy places to me, lol.. Like Hard33's Ick..
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« Reply #265 on: September 02, 2006, 11:03:11 AM »
great post rtp.  I'd like to have a drink with you sometime.
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« Reply #266 on: September 02, 2006, 11:14:33 AM »
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great post rtp.  I'd like to have a drink with you sometime.


Thanks, Pirate.  I wouldn't mind knockin' back a few wih you sometime. What's your poison?
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« Reply #267 on: September 02, 2006, 11:20:57 AM »
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Potomac Mills and Cameron Run came to mind.. Walt Witman and etc came to mind (all creepy places to me).

Please if you have any ideas of some potentially good places to have it (preferably ones that don't require a fee) feel free to make suggestions!

I'm not all that familiar with the VA area.

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« Reply #268 on: September 02, 2006, 11:23:07 AM »
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Phasers also went to schools, churches, shopping centers, and other events, as well as "permissions" to the lake.  Although I understand and sympathize with those who do not wish to have the memorial at the scene of the crime,  I think that NOT having the memorial service at the lake because "phasers went on outings there" is knuckling under, depriving ourselves of our freedom to go wherever we wish and assemble there peaceably.  Denying ourselves our right to go somewhere for that kind of reason would be allowing Straight to have too much influence in our lives, which is in essence, exactly what we are both mourning (for those that Straight influenced to the point of death) and hopefully, beginning to heal.

Personally, I'd like to have the memorial on Mel Sembler's or Miller Newton's front lawn, if I didn't have enough respect for our dead to keep me from wanting to besmirch a solemn occasion such as this by having it in close proximity to either of those vile and disgusting criminal child abusers.

Which brings me to another point I would like to add---This memorial is for US, as we remember our friends and family members, both living and dead, who have suffered, and, all too often, continue to suffer due to wounds physical, emotional, spiritual,  and psychological.  I don't think we need to turn this into a protest or pep rally, this is not about identifying and blaming the perpetrators--we know who they are and what they did, and they know that we know.  This is about us and our healing process, about remembering our lost friends, about mourning their untimely departure from this world.  It is also, I believe, for the wounded that Straight produced by the score:  The scared, lonely woman who calls you late at night with traumatic memories and frightened thoughts; the guy who can't hold a job because he can't deal with the paranoia he feels when he's outside his house; the man who hasn't been able to find happiness in his personal relationships because he only knows how to express himself by "confronting" others; the guy who is haunted by nightmares about being back in Straight; the woman who resigns herself to being a drug addict because it was drilled into her that she was :powerless over drugs" and now believes she is doomed to a life of addiction because she is a "druggie whore piece of shit"; the people who can't cope with daily life because of the traumatic incidents that they experienced in Straight,; the guys and girls who held such promise at one time, but who are now scarred shadows of their former selves; these are the people that I will mourn alongside the dead;  these are the people who still stand, perhaps barely, as an example of the horrendous crimes that were not only committed against us, but were committed against us in the name    of "love", "honesty", "empathy and sensitivity", and "spirituality".  These are the wounds that we have suffered, individually and collectively,   inflicted on us by evil doers and blind fanatics who had and have no regard for the pain they have caused.  I will mourn the dead and wounded, but I will also take hope and comfort in the presence of so many of us who survived the ordeal, those who are still alive, those that while struggling perhaps, continue to go forward,  minute by minute, reclaiming their lives, therir minds, and their dignity as human beings.  I will take solace in the fact that in spite of the damage done by Straight, we the living can and must carry on, to not only survive, but to thrive; to be a bright beacon of hope to those still suffering; to show all the world, among them those who have committed atrocities against us, that we were not defeated, we were not destroyed, we will not be silenced nor intimidated, we will embody the resilience of the human spirit, we will continue to heal, to learn, to grow, and to live[/b].



 :tup:  :tup: Very well put.

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« Reply #269 on: September 02, 2006, 01:07:22 PM »
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great post rtp.  I'd like to have a drink with you sometime.

Thanks, Pirate.  I wouldn't mind knockin' back a few with you sometime. What's your poison?


Well, the most powerful poison I ever took was a woman.  Luckily she came with an antidote too...the trouble though, was in telling the poison from the medicine...they both taste so good. :wink:

Women(the curvy, teasin', voluptuous kind)...

Drink(over-proof Jamaican rum and Sierra Nevada Pale Ale)...

And song(hard humorous blues about endlessly sufferin for a curvy, voluptuous, tease),

....Women, drink and song...rtp,...women, drink and song... :rofl: ...  ::hatter::
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