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« Reply #2310 on: March 27, 2007, 07:20:17 PM »
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I am guessing that long response was a no and an attempt to cover the fact you arent releasing the data you have......


Uhhh no Cindy I wasnt trying to cover anything, I've been pretty blatent about the fact that I'm not going to release the data to you. If you missed that then perhaps that would explain why youre so oblivious to everything else....say the truth about this industry.

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If it proved to be damaging to the industry I believe it would have been posted the minute it was compiled But we know it wasn?t

How interesting. You know the data isnt damaging to the industry. How do you know Cindy? Have you seen some data yourself? If so please share it with us. If you don't it proves to be damaging to your claim, otherwise it would have been posted the minute it was complied.
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« Reply #2311 on: March 27, 2007, 07:47:59 PM »
So now that we have Bob's abuse claims settled (or getting there, Ha,Ha,.. sorry everyone, I think I have a personal Troll, but he is serving his purpose by bringing light to the data, which is a good thing) lets move on with the matrix updates, I think we can be a little more confident that the abuse numbers are lower than we thought .... I initially rough calculated that they were below 1%, but based on Bob's positioning we can safely assume they are a fraction of that or he wouldnt be sitting on his numbers this long.........  Sam I wouldnt sweat the inconsitences between isaccorp and caica's list, if in doubt just add the name to the list.


There appears to be some data coming in that we are looking at for the latest year so I will hold off on starting the new template.........  I should be able to update the tables this evening whe I receive word.


It appears from a Homicide/Suicide point of view as well as others the therapeutic sector is proving to be an extremely safe environment, especially TBS and Wilderness.

We will be adding the 2004 -- 2005 shell hopfully this week and retrieve data from the NCES.
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« Reply #2312 on: March 27, 2007, 08:23:34 PM »
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So now that we have Bob's abuse claims settled (or getting there, Ha,Ha,.. sorry everyone, I think I have a personal Troll,

Think of it more as someone who holds you accountable.

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but he is serving his purpose by bringing light to the data, which is a good thing


My exposing your data as useless and incomplete is a good thing yes.

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I think we can be a little more confident that the abuse numbers are lower than we thought .... I initially rough calculated that they were below 1%, but based on Bob's positioning we can safely assume they are a fraction of that or he wouldnt be sitting on his numbers this long.

Once again your speculation is sufficent to deem factual? No wonder youve been fired from so many jobs. At least now we have an actual addmission from you on your feelings regarding how many kids are abused, or in your case aren't abused. It appears not to matter to you that your claim is based on nothing.

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Sam I wouldnt sweat the inconsitences between isaccorp and caica's list, if in doubt just add the name to the list.

Yes, imaginary friend Sam, inconsitences matter little to Cindy. His opinion is all that ever matters to him.



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It appears from a Homicide/Suicide point of view as well as others the therapeutic sector is proving to be an extremely safe environment, especially TBS and Wilderness.


Cindy how can you make this claim since you have yet to examine any data regarding abuse within the TBS and Wilderness environments?

Is it your claim that no abuse occurs?

What sources are you using for deaths within the specified arenas since the sources you cite do not agree with you?
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« Reply #2313 on: March 27, 2007, 08:56:15 PM »
Sorry, bob, I cant read all that.............just hold off till you have the data ready....no one wants to watch you dancing around the truth....."Show me the money!!!!"

put up or shut up...Ha,Ha,....
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« Reply #2314 on: March 27, 2007, 08:56:56 PM »
So now that we have Bob's abuse claims settled (or getting there, Ha,Ha,.. sorry everyone, I think I have a personal Troll, but he is serving his purpose by bringing light to the data, which is a good thing) lets move on with the matrix updates, I think we can be a little more confident that the abuse numbers are lower than we thought .... I initially rough calculated that they were below 1%, but based on Bob's positioning we can safely assume they are a fraction of that or he wouldnt be sitting on his numbers this long.........  Sam I wouldnt sweat the inconsitences between isaccorp and caica's list, if in doubt just add the name to the list.


There appears to be some data coming in that we are looking at for the latest year so I will hold off on starting the new template.........  I should be able to update the tables this evening whe I receive word.


It appears from a Homicide/Suicide point of view as well as others the therapeutic sector is proving to be an extremely safe environment, especially TBS and Wilderness.

We will be adding the 2004 -- 2005 shell hopfully this week and retrieve data from the NCES.
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You can click on the program type to get more detail if needed.[/b]
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001   -------There were 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides   , X Restraint, 2,959 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 1 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 1 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 2 Other, ----- 2 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, -----  0 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 1 suicides, 0 accidental, 4 Other, ----- 5 Total

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July 1, 2001 thru June 2002   -------There were 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides   , X Other, 2,868 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 2 Other, -----  2 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 3 Other, ----- 3 Total

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July 1, 2002 thru June 2003   -------There were 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides   , X Other, 2,846 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, -----  1 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total
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July 1, 2003 thru June 2004   -------There were 1,437 Homicides and 1,285 suicides   , X Other, 2,722 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 1 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 1 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, -----  0 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 1 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 1 Total

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
RTC - Residential Treatment Center
NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles (caica.org, isaccorp.org), posts and PM?s....  All deaths are verified thru local news articles.
X -- Incomplete or unavailable
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« Reply #2315 on: March 27, 2007, 09:05:06 PM »
Cindy repeating the same stupid nonsense over and over again is only wasting bandwith, why dont we take this into PM's.
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« Reply #2316 on: March 27, 2007, 11:37:36 PM »
pot, kettle, black.. etc.
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« Reply #2317 on: March 27, 2007, 11:50:22 PM »
I agree we are both wasting bandwith, hence why Id like to take it to PM's. Well see if hes up for it.
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« Reply #2318 on: March 28, 2007, 06:08:19 PM »
We just added a data point for the latest year, see update

It appears from a Homicide/Suicide point of view as well as others the therapeutic sector is proving to be an extremely safe environment, especially TBS and Wilderness.

We will be adding the 2004 -- 2005 shell hopfully this week and retrieve data from the NCES.
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« Reply #2319 on: March 28, 2007, 06:11:18 PM »
Should I take that as a no you are not willing to discuss the matter in PM's and would rather we continue to repeat ourselves and waste bandwidth?
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« Reply #2320 on: March 28, 2007, 06:20:02 PM »
I know you got the PM i sent hours ago. Any chance you could go update your profile with an email address that works so we can stop getting bounces, since you keep subscribing to each thread you post?   I've replaced your current email address w/ a temporary fornits one to stop getting bounce backs.  If you have another email address please update it in your profile.  If not let me know and we will turn your notifications OFF until you get a working email address.
Thanks much! :)
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« Reply #2321 on: March 28, 2007, 06:27:18 PM »
Who are you talking to?
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« Reply #2322 on: March 28, 2007, 06:43:36 PM »
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Who are you talking to?


WHO ELSE? lol check my subject line! ;) not of this message but the original one... and sorry for the confusion but it's who's fault cuz it's who's name. lol
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« Reply #2323 on: March 28, 2007, 06:48:49 PM »
Gotcha. Sorry about that.
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« Reply #2324 on: March 28, 2007, 06:53:45 PM »
no need to be sorry.  you know your username is the name of one of my favorite authors. or well more like one of my favorite people he just happens to write.  just a random fact. :D  k sorry all off topic.  I shall go do more work now!
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