The Who

[TheWho]

The period in question Brainiac, as in the one you claim to be currently working on. Pay closer attention or ask for help from one of your imaginary friends if need be, but stop wasting my time with your stupidity.

Whoa?..someone is testy and their professionalism is showing a bit?.. let me try to explain it again?? all the years are still open so data can still be added.  If there is a zero in a specific position this indicates none has been found yet or none occurred.  If there is a ?1? then this indicates one death has occurred and has been counted and so on?? we have totaled it to the right for each category and then totaled down for each type with grand totals at the very bottom of each year.

Hope this helps?. Try to relax

[RobertBruce]

What would  be the reason to treat you professionally? The only thing youre a professional at is spewing off propoganda and putting your own foot in your mouth.

Observe:

all the years are still open so data can still be added.

A reasonable and objective statement, youre willing to add new data as it comes to light even if it goes against your already reached conclusion, how professional of you . Oh...but wait.....

So none exist as I had indicated earlier?

Here you are claiming there are no deaths to be added.

[TheWho]

Okay Bob, one more time?Ha,Ha,   A ?0?  indicates no data exists (or has been collected).  As a new template is placed down all areas contain zeros, so yes initially no data exists in all areas and it appears no deaths occurred.  But over time you will notice we add data and the matrix changes and some of the zeros change to a ?1..2  etc.?.  Look at some of  the previous years, they use to be all zeros and now they are not?.the data sets evolve or get filled over time.  If none exist today doesn?t mean data wont be added tomorrow that is why I repost the data periodically.

[RobertBruce]

It's cool Cindy really, youve put your foot in your mouth once again and now your trying to cover it up. It's fine, you dont have to get so excited and work so hard here, everyone knows you don't know what youre talking about.

You claimed there were no deaths to add to the list because none exist. No way around it.

Now again as I asked you before, what source are you using for deaths in the teen help industry?

[TheWho]

It's cool Cindy really, youve put your foot in your mouth once again and now your trying to cover it up. It's fine, you dont have to get so excited and work so hard here, everyone knows you don't know what youre talking about.

You claimed there were no deaths to add to the list because none exist. No way around it.

Now again as I asked you before, what source are you using for deaths in the teen help industry?

Well, folks you have to admit I tried, my niece who is 8 years old can figure it out.  As far as my sources of data?? there is a legend below the tables that have assisted many with that question, let know if you need help.

Bob, we have been discussing these numbers for months now and the whole time you had no idea what they meant nor where the data came from?  You should have ask questions earlier on during the design phase of the matrix... you were involved in it if you remember and gave your input.

[RobertBruce]

Well, folks you have to admit I tried, my niece who is 8 years old can figure it out.  

Cindy I told you it's fine. I've come to expect you to have to put your foot in your mouth at least once or twice a day, there's no reason to continue embarrassing you on this issue. You claimed there were no more deaths to add to the list and you shouldn't have. It's okay really, no one here thinks any less of you for being an idiot.

As far as my sources of data?? there is a legend below the tables that have assisted many with that question, let know if you need help.

Well the problem is you arent very specific in your legend. Let's take a look:

* - Data found here on fornits,

Fornits doesn't have a data set containing all the deaths having occured. So really youre just using what other people dig up for you.

internet news

Posted where? What news site?

articles,

What articles? Where did you find them?

posts

This is redundant, you've already mentioned fornits.

PM?s

Which ones? From who?

If youre going to try and present this data as fact you need to do a better job citing your sources. What youve got here could be from anything and is unacceptable.

Bob, we have been discussing these numbers for months now and the whole time you had no idea what they meant

Quite the contrary, I was just pointing out your contridiction. Your claiming now and on your table that the data set is still open, yet you claimed to me that there were no deaths to add. See,

So none exist as I had indicated earlier?

Perhaps you could ask your eight year old neice to help you keep track of what it is you say, that way you wouldnt have to constantly try and backpeddal on your own comments.

nor where the data came from?

Well early on I provided you with the numbers for the teen help industry, because youre too stupid and lazy to do it yourself. I'm curious as to where your numbers regarding those deaths is coming from now.

You should have ask questions earlier on during the design phase of the matrix... you were involved in it if you remember and gave your input.

I do recall, the difference being at the time I mistankely believed that you were interested in the truth about these places. It soon however became clear that you aren't  Hence why I am no longer willing to help you. So my question to you remains what is the source for your numbers?

[TheWho]

Well then, I guess he told me..... Ha,Ha, Ha.....  I think I can assume Bob doesnt like my numbers........

[TheWho]

I'll see if we can clarify the "Legend" a little more for Bob...if there is a specific data point inwhich you would like clarification you can post it here or PM me...see updated legend.

It appears from a Homicide point of view as well as others the therapeutic sector is proving to be an extremely safe environment, especially TBS and Wilderness.

We will be adding the 2004 -- 2005 shell hopfully this week and retrieve data from the NCES.
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[RobertBruce]

Well then, I guess he told me.....

Clearly.

Ha,Ha, Ha.....

If you can't laugh at yourself who can you laugh at.

I think I can assume Bob doesnt like my numbers........

I am indifferent to your numbers because they are simply that your numbers. You repeat them over and over again in the hopes that someone will buy into them and tell you what an amazing job youve done. Until you build some credibility and start being honest no one is going to care and few will pay attention. I personally commented because I wanted to bring to light the fact that you were once again claiming your unfounded conjectures as facts.

[RobertBruce]

I'll see if we can clarify the "Legend" a little more for Bob...if there is a specific data point inwhich you would like clarification you can post it here or PM me...see updated legend.

You're citing information given on fornits, yet you yourself acknowledged that you have not read all the posts on fornits, nor is there a data set availible which lists off the deaths.

You also mention PM's-again from who?

and caica.org. Cindy a periphral glance through the death lists on caica proves that you either havent been there, or weren't paying attention when you were there. There are a number of deaths that fit your parameters and time tables that youve neglected to include. Proving one more time you are not in any way shape or form interested in the truth.

As to this.....

It appears from a Homicide point of view as well as others the therapeutic sector is proving to be an extremely safe environment, especially TBS and Wilderness.

Extremely safe environment? You're declaring these places to be safe and you havent even begun to examine the numbers regarding abuse. How then can you claim a place to be safe?


Or is it still your claim that only 1% of the kids in TBS's are ever abused.

[TheWho]

Well, until someone steps up and creates a better way to collect and present the data we will move forward with what we have and just focus on constantly improving and building upon it.
If someone needs clarification for specific data points we do have the back up information and I can provide the detail, but to present all of that up front would take away from the intent of the matrix and it would become unclear (think about an excel spread sheet filled with data) and serve no purpose.

The feed back I have received (except yours) has been positive and readers like the ease of reading, layout (after much iteration) and accuracy of the data.  I don?t expect to please everyone and I do recognize your right to disagree with the methods used here and voice your opinions and I will try to incorporate your input where I can.

[RobertBruce]

Again with the "we". Cindy you've made it beyond clear that the only people who seem to really give a shit about your propoganda are the people you already know in your off the board life. Even that claim however is suspect since not once has any of them come to show you the least little bit of support or argued in your defense, even when they were called by name to appear on the board. Just for the sake of argument though lets say they are real people, since they are the only ones who want to see your nonsense, why don't you just compile the information for them off the board. You'd save Ginger alot of bandwith that way. Think about how much youve wasted with all the nonsense youve repeated over and over and over again.


But I digress- youve avoided the point concerning your data not agreeing with what you claim to be your source.

Can you explain this discrepancy?

What about you declaring TBS's to be safe without even looking at the abuse cases?

[TheWho]

What about you declaring TBS's to be safe without even looking at the abuse cases?

Bob, you run around criticizing everyone and all the work they do, Ha,Ha,?. Do me a favor, just for grins?? run a search of your posts, say the last 50 and look at what you contribute here?? take your time and read thru a few pages? you criticize every post you come across and you contribute nothing.

Why don?t you do a little work yourself if you think you have the answers?why don?t you step up and take a look at the abuse cases in TBS?s and see how they compare to other sectors.  You seem to be interested enough go do it, don?t wait for me!!

Ha,Ha,? I really don?t expect you to, but I give it to you as a challenge to see if you can do the hard work and present it for others to see and take the criticism.  

So take a look at the abuse cases and I can either incorporate it into my matrix and field the questions for you or you can present it yourself?let me know what works for you.

[RobertBruce]

Bob, you run around criticizing everyone and all the work they do, Ha,Ha,?. Do me a favor, just for grins?? run a search of your posts, say the last 50 and look at what you contribute here?? take your time and read thru a few pages? you criticize every post you come across and you contribute nothing.

Cindy (again) I unlike you remember what I post. I contribute plenty, at this moment its to highlight just how useless your "data" is. You seem to forget Ive done more to help these kids then you ever will. As to my criticsm, as of late its been geared towards you.

Why don?t you do a little work yourself if you think you have the answers?why don?t you step up and take a look at the abuse cases in TBS?s and see how they compare to other sectors. You seem to be interested enough go do it, don?t wait for me!!

Oh but Cindy you forget so quickly, I was willing to work and provide you with the names of the kids who were killed when I thought you were interested in presenting an honest perspective on these places, it's only when you let slip the fact that youve already made your concluscion and facts are irrellavent that I saw no point in doing anything to help you. After all its been established, my primary goal is to help these kids, yours is to hurt them. These two opposing ideologies cannot coincide.

Ha,Ha,? I really don?t expect you to, but I give it to you as a challenge to see if you can do the hard work and present it for others to see and take the criticism.

Oh I can Cindy, the information is already at hand. I just see no point in giving it to you since I already know you'll dismiss it. Again it was you who claimed without examing a single piece of evidence that only 1% of kids in TBS's are ever abused.

So take a look at the abuse cases and I can either incorporate it into my matrix and field the questions for you or you can present it yourself?let me know what works for you

To borrow your adage: I'm not going to do your homework for you. It's your table, its your claim, you back it up. If you arent willing to do so be prepared to have it ridiculed and dismissed.

[Anonymous]

i thought thw who was a man why r u calling him cindy