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« Reply #2055 on: February 22, 2007, 06:53:19 PM »
"I always lie and I'm always right!"
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« Reply #2056 on: February 22, 2007, 06:57:06 PM »
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If a graduate of one of the schools came out and said, so and so was fired or the nurse quit and we don?t know who is handing out meds then this is taken to be fact.

This is because they are believable, and you are not.

It's just that simple.

DJ, Deb- if neither of you have started compiling REAL license information to deliver to Massachussetts by now, shame on you both for wasting time responding to this retard.

No, this is not why.  Everything over there is vetted very carefully because the little man at HLA is an extremely litigious little bugger.  We try not to get sued, and nobody has been.  Kids say stuff and we look into.  Generally nothing is posted without confirmation from a staff member and where it is, it is clearly said to be "single-sourced."  I do this all the time.

Bottom line is that Whooter Libby Jr. is just not believable, so his so-called "sources" are just perceived as the utterings of a consummate prevaricator.  His credibilty is so low he needds to provide REAL documentation because nobody believes him about anything anymore, even other ASR supporters.  He's cooked.

Now, to your second point.  Deb got the staff list from ASR and ran all the names thru the state licensing site.  Here's the results:

Quote from: ""Deborah""
Academy at Swift River Staff
Checking licensing catagories for:  Psychologist, Mental Health Professional, Social Workers at http://www.mass.gov/dpl/boards.htm
this is what I found

Administration
DeLisle, Lisa Operations Director
Slaghekke, Piet Continuum Information Systems Coordinator
Stokes, Brenda Executive Assistant
Vardell, Don Executive Director
Wilcox, Geri Finance Manager

Admissions Team
Jurkowski, Kara Admissions Assistant
Papallo, Rhonda Admissions & Student Services Director
Ravenscraft, Paul Associate Director of Admissions & Marketing
Roubinian, Nayiree Admissions Assistant

Buffalos
DuBois, Dan Teacher
Ingram, Abby Residential Mentor
Moore, Tom Clinical Counselor
Perry, Eve Teacher
Piaget, Mark Residential Mentor
Plumeri, Leslie Counselor
Steiner, Jocelyn  Residential Life Supervisor
Trushaw, Kami Leigh Residential Mentor

Cougars
Charnley, Michael Residential Life Supervisor
Christoph, Rosemary Clinical Counselor
DeBlase, Erica Clinical Counselor
Kilfeather, Michael Residential Mentor
Rodney, Jesslyn Residential Mentor
Towles, Michelle Teacher

Counseling Services Administration
Bacchus, Naadia Substance Abuse Counselor- Licensed as a Mental Health Counselor, Antioch University
Bartolomeo, Frank Director of Counseling & Residential Life
Kilfeather, PJ Assistant Transitional Coordinator
Valuski, Michael Associate Director of Counseling

Eagles
Beattie, Ginger Residential Life Supervisor
Beecher, Tanya Clinical Counselor ? Licensed Certified Social Worker- License has expired but is within one renewal period.
Demerjian, Robert Residential Mentor
Hartnett, Nadina Residential Mentor
Herman, SabrinaClinical Counselor ? Licensed Certified Social Worker
Onafowokan, Abi Teacher
Staller, Justin Residential Mentor
VanderHeld, David Teacher

Educational Services Administration
Ballou-Baldwin, Martha Academic Assistant
Becker, Joshua Director of Educational Services
Wheeler, Laurie Librarian
Wilcox, Dennis Academic Registrar/Scheduler

Mustangs
Allen, D. Keller Teacher
Cunningham, Gina Clinical Counselor
Goselin, Jennifer Residential Mentor
Kuttner, Jessica Clinical Counselor
Lahoski, Jennifer Teacher
Maguire, Carey Residential Mentor
Tomaselli, Judd Residential Life Supervisor
Wolk, Joshua Residential Mentor

Operations/Support Staff
Bourdon, Joe Residential Mentor/Night Staff
Dennis, Albert Residential Mentor/Night Staff
Lococo, Sue Residential Mentor/Night Staff
Martin, David Maintenance
Mason, Daniel Maintenance
Nicolacopoulos, Charles Residential Mentor/Night Staff
Toczdlowski, Eugene Residential Mentor/Night Staff
Wilson, Rachel Residential Mentor/Night Staff

Pathways
Madeiros, Ness Program Counselor
Sabella, Emma Pathways Mentor
Wallace, Nate Pathways Mentor

Residential Life Administration
Colacarro, Anne Associate Director of Residential Life
Killough-Hill, Bill Supervisor Adventure ASR

Student Health
Becker, Julie Nurse
Champoux, Richard Advanced Practice RN
Cohen, Ralph Psychiatrist  
Dame, Cherie Health Services Coordinator
Flint, Paula Nurse
Trudell, Laurie Registered Nurse

Wolves
Brumberg, Jay Clinical Counselor ? Licensed Social Worker - License has expired or is inactive. The license is expired beyond 1 Renewal period.
Everson, Audrey Clinical Counselor
Gould, Traci Residential Mentor
Loux, Nathan Academic Mentor
McCann, Karen Residential Life Supervisor
Pronovost, Jason Residential Mentor
Wallender, Jon Teacher
Williams, Greg Teacher


9 - no license at all
2 - some sort of license

Anything else?  You're so pissy today.
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« Reply #2057 on: February 22, 2007, 07:00:33 PM »
Yeah, well, this thread received about two thousand more replies than it was worth and seems to be leeching the hell out of everything ELSE worth talking about, so yeah, I'm pissy. Especially since everyone keeps on trollfeeding.

Whatever TheWho might believe, or might not believe, is totally irrelevant here. What is relevant is taking out ASR. That'll end the argument pretty damn quick.
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« Reply #2058 on: February 22, 2007, 07:04:51 PM »
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DJ, Deb- if neither of you have started compiling REAL license information to deliver to Massachussetts by now, shame on you both for wasting time responding to this retard.


Dude,
You apparently aren't keeping up with the discussion... understandable, when you're not actively involved in it.  I addressed that question to you specifically earlier today. Yes, I've documented all the staffs license status.
Wanna help? You could research the requirements for a Substance Abuse facility in Mass.
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« Reply #2059 on: February 22, 2007, 07:11:45 PM »
http://www.mass.gov/dph/bsas/licensing/license.htm

Well, this is interesting. Even to be an assistant with alcohol or drug counseling, in Massachussetts, you still need a license!

http://www.mass.gov/dph/bsas/licensing/ ... ements.doc
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« Reply #2060 on: February 22, 2007, 07:23:22 PM »
OK, so the next step is to find out who directly oversees SA programs and "schools" and find out who we need to talk to to have the state look into why a school provides mandatory therapy to students and uses unlicensed people to do it.  And what about their provisional accreditation?  Has anyone gone to the agency and asked if they're aware that a school they may be going to accredit does casework and mandatory therapy?  Can't be within the bylaws.  And has anyone contacted the dept of ed to see how an unaccredited school can offer diplomas?  Let's go, Milk!

Anyone see the irony in using TheWho's thread to plan for closing ASR? :wink:
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« Reply #2061 on: February 22, 2007, 07:26:07 PM »
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and there we go that?s my point.......we use info based on if the person feels they are believable or not in other arguments. I feel this person is bringing accurate information to the table and it should be considered in this argument.

It's just that simple.


No its not. There are several differences, the biggest being we could verify there was no school nurse by simply noticing she was no longer listed on the website, add that to the fact that we had insiders telling us exactly what was going on (something you emphatically denied) and confirmed that there was indeed no nurse.

In this instance you have one anonymous person claiming something that cannot be verified and youre getting frustrated because we arent accepting his claim at face value.

Why should we when we have real data that refutes what hes saying?
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« Reply #2062 on: February 22, 2007, 07:26:18 PM »
This thread should also be used for any general topics like what you watched on tv or whatever.  TheWho made this thread useless like a hundred and thirty-some pages back, so why not just use it for idle chit chat, too?
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« Reply #2063 on: February 22, 2007, 07:32:40 PM »
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Yeah, well, this thread received about two thousand more replies than it was worth and seems to be leeching the hell out of everything ELSE worth talking about, so yeah, I'm pissy. Especially since everyone keeps on trollfeeding.

Whatever TheWho might believe, or might not believe, is totally irrelevant here. What is relevant is taking out ASR. That'll end the argument pretty damn quick.


What do you want to talk about sweetie?
What would you prefer I/we do with our time? I personally have invested a few hours of research into unearthing the truth about ASR. That doesn't fit my definition of trollfeeding. And besides, this thread is titled "The Who".
What are you doing to take out ASR? I apologize if I missed it. I have seen you "feed" Who a few times. And ask questions that had already been answered.
Sorry, I'm pissy too and don't appreciate that you appear to be discounting the effort I've put into this. Where it goes, nobody knows, but at the very least the accurate info is now available here for any discerning parent who might be interest. And that ADDS VALUE, even if it's archived in TheWho thread. It's mineable.
Milk, getting a facility licensed properly or close down doesn't just magically happen. It takes a tremendous amount of time and effort. Jump in, get involved with fact finding. Then, you might appreciate what 'has' happened in this thread, aside from all other BS.
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« Reply #2064 on: February 22, 2007, 07:50:42 PM »
Build on my initial research. This is NOT for State license/regulation. It is for the SA aspect of the program which would require a different license.

Excerpts from
http://www.mass.gov/dph/regs/reg105cmr750.htm

Drug Treatment Program ? means a program which provides therapeutic services and necessary supportive services especially designed for the treatment of drug dependent person or persons in need of immediate assistance due to the use of a dependency-related drug.

Facility ? means any public or private place, or portion thereof, which is not part of or located at a penal institution and which is not operated by the federal government, where especially-designed services are provided for the treatment of drug dependent persons or person in need of immediate assistance due to the use of a dependency-related drug.

License ? means a certification, in writing, whether full or provisional, issued by the Department to any responsible and suitable person which authorizes that person to operate a drug treatment program.

Licensee ? means any person holding a license or approval from the Department to operate a drug treatment program.
 
Residential DrugFree Program means a program which provides longterm social and rehabilitative services to livein clients who are unable to remain drugfree while residing in the community.

(1) Any person, other than a licensed general hospital or a department, agency, or institution of the federal government, the commonwealth or any political subdivision thereof, shall file an application for licensure with the Department for the establishment or operation of a drug treatment program.
 
(A) Each licensee shall designate a qualified administrator and shall establish bylaws or policies which describe the organization of the program, establish authority and responsibility, and identify programs and goals.

(B) The administrator or his/her designee shall at all times be on the premises of the facility while it is in operation. All staff members on duty shall know who is responsible for supervision of the program at any given time.
 
(D) The licensee shall provide. upon request of the Department, evidence that personnel are currently certified, licensed or registered where applicable laws require certification licensure, or registration. In addition. the licensee shall maintain accurate information on the formal and ongoing education and training of direct service staff in all diagnostic, therapy, and treatment methods which he/she utilizes or supervises.

(B) Specific Client Rights
(1) All programs, including residential programs, shall guarantee clients freedom from physical, and psychological abuse and/or deprivation. At a minimum, these rights shall include freedom:

(a) from corporal punishment and/or physical abuse;
(b) from body cavity and strip searches;
(c) to have control over his/her bodily appearance;
(d) to have a hearing on any intended disciplinary measure as set forth in 105 CMR 750.560;
(e) to participate or not, in religious worship of his/her own choosing;
(f) in to examine his/her client record;
(g) to challenge information in his/her client record and insert a statement of clarification;
(h) to terminate treatment at any time; and
(i) from signing over his/her public assistance, food stamps, or other income to the licensee except when it is part of a mutual treatment agreement signed by both the client and the licensee. In such case, the client has the right to know how the income is being expended.

(2) Residential programs shall guarantee clients these additional rights:

(a) to bathe. shower, and meet personal hygiene needs in a reasonable manner, at a reasonable time;
(b) to have regular physical exercise;
(c) to wear his/her own clothes, unless medically contraindicated;
(d) to send and receive sealed letters. Where the licensee deems it necessary, mail shall be inspected for contraband in the presence of the client;
(e) to be given regular and private use of a pay telephone; and
(f) to have visitors at reasonable times. Visits by the client's attorney and personal physician shall not be limited.

A) Residential DrugFree Programs. (A different catagory than RSA.)
(4) The licensee shall provide counseling, no less than five (5) times per week.
(a) At a minimum, one (1) of the five (5) sessions must be an individual counseling session;
(b) Types of counseling sessions shall be as specified in the individual, treatment plan;
(c) Counseling services shall also include:

1. group treatment;
2. family and/or couples counseling; and
3. vocational guidance.


From  http://www.maadac-ma.org/

105 CMR 168.000 shall be known and may be cited as 105 CMR 168.000: Standards for the Licensure of Alcohol and Drug Counselors.
 
Certified Alcohol and Drug Counselor means a person who is certified by the Massachusetts Board of Substance Abuse Counselor Certification (MBSACC), the American Academy of Healthcare Providers in the Addictive Disorders, the National Association of Alcohol and Drug Abuse Counselors (NAADAC), or the International Certification & Reciprocity Consortium (ICRC), or who holds a current certificate from any recognized certifying body (i.e. CEAP, CNAC, CCS, etc.) satisfactory to the department.

Clinical Supervision means an ongoing, regularly occurring process of examination, critique, and improvement of a counselor?s skills provided by a Licensed alcohol and drug counselor I, that involves one to one or small group in structure, and utilizes the methods of intensive case review and discussion, and direct and indirect observation of clinical practice.

Licensed Alcohol and Drug Abuse Counselor Assistant means a person licensed by the Department to provide recovery based services under direct clinical and administrative supervision.  A licensed alcohol and drug counselor assistant shall meet the work experience and educational requirements established by the Department.

Licensed Alcohol and Drug Abuse Counselor I means a person Licensed by the Department to conduct an independent practice of alcohol and drug counseling, and to provide supervision to other alcohol and drug counselors.  A licensed alcohol and drug counselor I: shall have received a master?s or doctoral degree in behavioral sciences, including a supervised counseling practicum which meets the requirement established by the Department or such equivalent educational credits as may be established by the Department; shall have at least three years of approved work.

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See if you can find out if Naadia Bucchus or Michael Valuski, or anyone else listed as staff are a LADAC I.

 
Licensed Alcohol and Drug Counselor II means a person licensed by the Department to practice alcohol and drug counseling under clinical supervision.  A licensed alcohol and drug counselor II: shall have completed an approved program of education, including a supervised counseling practicum which meets the requirement established by the Department; shall have at least three years of approved work experience; and shall have passed a licensing examination approved by the Department.
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That's as far as I've gotten. Help would be appreciated.
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« Reply #2065 on: February 22, 2007, 07:54:20 PM »
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?.they have 4 licensed staff 2 licensed social workers, 1 licensed drug addictions counselor and 1 licensed mental health counselor. they have 3 or 4 counselors waiting for the next test.?


Good info guys..wow much more info than I expected? so their website shows 2 out of 11 licensed and looks like they added 2 more since they update and have 3 to 4 more to add after they get tested.

Just out of curiosity, what are the requirements?  I mean we are all sitting around saying 2 are licensed, no 4 are licensed maybe up to 8 licensed.  Does any of this matter?  Are there any requirements that stipulate licensing is required and how many of you staff needs to be sent out for licensing?

I mean if you only need one person licensed then there is no point in the argument, is there?  

If they meet standards we could be working on something else like regulation or accreditation!
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« Reply #2066 on: February 22, 2007, 07:55:14 PM »
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This thread should also be used for any general topics like what you watched on tv or whatever.  TheWho made this thread useless like a hundred and thirty-some pages back, so why not just use it for idle chit chat, too?

Yes, I'm with you; I attempted to head in that direction back on page 21:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=237962#237962
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« Reply #2067 on: February 22, 2007, 07:58:44 PM »
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?.they have 4 licensed staff 2 licensed social workers, 1 licensed drug addictions counselor and 1 licensed mental health counselor. they have 3 or 4 counselors waiting for the next test.?

Good info guys..wow much more info than I expected? so their website shows 2 out of 11 licensed and looks like they added 2 more since they update and have 3 to 4 more to add after they get tested.

Just out of curiosity, what are the requirements?  I mean we are all sitting around saying 2 are licensed, no 4 are licensed maybe up to 8 licensed.  Does any of this matter?  Are there any requirements that stipulate licensing is required and how many of you staff needs to be sent out for licensing?

I mean if you only need one person licensed then there is no point in the argument, is there?  

If they meet standards we could be working on something else like regulation or accreditation!



Cindy can you name the four who already have licenses? How about the 4 who are in line to become licensed?
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« Reply #2068 on: February 22, 2007, 08:00:37 PM »
Anyone heard that Deluxe Edition CD release of Live at Leeds yet?

No? Well do yourself a favor and check it out!
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« Reply #2069 on: February 22, 2007, 08:07:19 PM »
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This thread should also be used for any general topics like what you watched on tv or whatever.  TheWho made this thread useless like a hundred and thirty-some pages back, so why not just use it for idle chit chat, too?



you should look at the first post!!  It started out useless...  I like the TV idea "Lost"  would be appropriate...Ha, Ha, ...but would like to follow this licensing and regulation path.  If we could get some answers as to what the requirements are we could really start comparing State Regs to TBS's and see how they stand up.  If the TBS's were regulated we could then start extracting some of the data they would be required to track and keep and use this to bounce off the PS, maybe start a bench mark for us.  Truancy, petty theft, staff turn over rates type of data,  which would be a gold mine of info.
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