The Who

[TheWho]

Hmmm... Okay so you dont use NCES or CDC data in any of your reporting or tables? Interesting...

Funny....I didnt claim any such thing. I simply stated the data regarding the deaths in PTS's doesnt come from NCES or the CDC. ....

Ha,Ha,Ha, okay Bob, Thanks, kind of a long around about way to get my answer.  Just wanted to be clear you rely on the NCES data also......

[TheWho]

Wow, it seems TheWho can be "high maintenance" around here.

Speaking of maintaining highs...... :lol: :smokin:

That was "Blunt"

[TheWho]

I have reduced the font size and moved some of the data together so it takes up less space and added the year July1, 2003 thru June 2004.  It appears the suicide rates are dropping off over the past few years in both the TBS and Public sector which is good news.
So we are now looking at 5 years worth of data:

July 1, 1999 thru June 2000 [/u]

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,537 Homicides and 1,415 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.*
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 1 suicide.  (Data set still open)*
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July 1, 2001 thru June 2002  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*
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July 1, 2002 thru June 2003  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides [/b](NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*
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July 1, 2003 thru June 2004  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,437 Homicides and 1,285 suicides [/b](NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*


NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet new articles, posts and PM?s

[RobertBruce]

According to him there are no deaths to report. Then again he's a delusional idiot.

[RobertBruce]

Ha,Ha,Ha, okay Bob, Thanks, kind of a long around about way to get my answer. Just wanted to be clear you rely on the NCES data also......

For what? I've already explained to you several times the deaths that you claim dont occur arent included in the data from the NCES or the CDC. As far as the numbers concerning the public sector, apparently theres so much discrepancy at this point no one can rely on the NCES or the CDC for accurate information regarding how many deaths occured.

[RobertBruce]

I wonder Cindy, do you believe that by repeating the same nonsense over and over and over and over again you'll somehow finally get someone to believe it?

No ones bought it so far Cindy. What makes you think anything is going to change?

[TheWho]

According to him there are no deaths to report. Then again he's a delusional idiot.

Havent seen any data coming from you Bob that meet the parameters, just critisism....thats what we call...Zero value added.

[TheWho]

Ha,Ha,Ha, okay Bob, Thanks, kind of a long around about way to get my answer. Just wanted to be clear you rely on the NCES data also......

For what? I've already explained to you several times the deaths that you claim dont occur arent included in the data from the NCES or the CDC. As far as the numbers concerning the public sector, apparently theres so much discrepancy at this point no one can rely on the NCES or the CDC for accurate information regarding how many deaths occured.

Thanks for another Classic Bobism... I am sure the CDC and NCES are sweating and worried Bob has just exposed them...lets see if they shut their website down now and go home....

[TheWho]

I wonder Cindy, do you believe that by repeating the same nonsense over and over and over and over again you'll somehow finally get someone to believe it?

No ones bought it so far Cindy. What makes you think anything is going to change?

I typically only repost the data if someone asks me to or if the data set has been updated or revised.

[Ganja]

Thanks for another Classic Bobism.

Are there Karma/Dharma-like things in Bobisms?

[Troll Control]

According to him there are no deaths to report. Then again he's a delusional idiot.

Havent seen any data coming from you Bob that meet the parameters, just critisism....thats what we call...Zero value added.

This entire thread adds no value to anything or anyone.  It's just a bunch of nonsense iterated and reiterated by Who (and s/he has obviously no idea what s/he's talking about).  Why not just repeat nursery rhymes for 115 pages?  It adds the same value as what Who puts up here.

I also see that Who believes that criticism adds no value.  Sounds like Bush to me.  Dumb as a bag of rocks and stubborn as a mule.  The notion that critical thought has no place and adds no value in debate is laughable and underscores Who's complete lack of education and understanding.

Time to move on to something that actually matters.  This thread is 115 pages of utter garbage.

[Anonymous]

116, now.

WITHOUT REPLIES, THE TROLL DIES.

[Troll Control]

Deborah wrote:

Inaccurate. You can search any age range at CDC. What you can't search for is June of one year to July of another year. CDC compiles data for each year Jan-Dec. I'd be interested to know how the NCES acquired data in that format.

I know when we run reports and acquire data and our fiscal year doesn?t align properly with the data we are receiving from some of our suppliers or a few of our subsidiary companies, for various reasons (i.e. they have a different closing month than we do, they collect data with different parameters etc.) we ask for a custom report from them so we can submit it and keep our CPA's happy otherwise we get some of our math gurus to run an interpolation of the data to estimate the numbers as they would fit into our year.

Sorry this is long (and really boring to me also), but the point is that it is standard practice to footnote this interpolation at the end of your presentation and since this wasn?t done by NCES it is a good assumption that they received a custom report to suit their own parameters.  Going any deeper would require us to be involved in their business decisions which I am sure they don?t have time nor any inclination to share with us.

I wouldn?t feel comfortable adding a footnote to my table indicating the NCES probably received a custom report or interpolated the data to suit their parameters, unless they released this information to me formally.

And when the day's done. There are still 140+ dead kids who may still be alive if they hadn't received 'treatment'.

That?s what we are here for!  Lets find out where they are safe and where they are not and plug the holes, expose the places that put the kids in danger?..compiled data (as a start) goes a long way in digging out the problem areas.

I think you have a basic lack of understanding concerning data analysis.  See, if you have "math guru's" they wouldn't use interpolation to project because interpolation means that the curve is set to fixed data points.

If you knew the tiniest bit about math or statistics, you would know that projection involves extrapolation, not interpolation.  Better fire those "guru's" and fire yourself, too.  Go hire someone who knows what they're doing, because you surely don't.

This leads me to believe what "Bob" was saying about your data collection.  It's wrong and you don't understand that it's wrong or how to make it right.

It is amusing though how you attack other people for not "adding value," but what you have posted is completely valueless on its face, not to mention that you have no clue how to analyze it either.  I simply discount everything you say because of this complete and utter absence of understanding, or even terminology, for that matter.  Try sticking to stuff you know so you don't waste yours and everyone else's time with this type of bunk.

[Ganja]

116, now.

WITHOUT REPLIES, THE TROLL DIES.

I second the motion to give TheWho a much needed vacation.

[TheWho]

I think you have a basic lack of understanding concerning data analysis. See, if you have "math guru's" they wouldn't use interpolation to project because interpolation means that the curve is set to fixed data points.

If you knew the tiniest bit about math or statistics, you would know that projection involves extrapolation, not interpolation. Better fire those "guru's" and fire yourself, too. Go hire someone who knows what they're doing, because you surely don't.

Read it again, we were trying to fill a gap, not project the future.  When companies give us data that runs Feb thru Jan and we work to April thru March, we dont need to project or (Extrapolate) we need to interpolate their data to meet our time frame, we are not looking to predict the future....please read it again.