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Offline RobertBruce

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« Reply #1140 on: January 26, 2007, 02:00:39 PM »
I guess by that line of thinking HLA is not reputable then? I'm curious though, how can you speak for other schools or even ASR? Afterall while I'm sure you watching your daughter be strip searched proved to be satisfactory how do you know about every other kid there?
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« Reply #1141 on: January 26, 2007, 02:28:07 PM »
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I guess by that line of thinking HLA is not reputable then? I'm curious though, how can you speak for other schools or even ASR? Afterall while I'm sure you watching your daughter be strip searched proved to be satisfactory how do you know about every other kid there?



Well it?s a good point, you really don?t, what I think one needs to really look at is the process that is in place, like any other situation.  Is it sloppy? Scattered?  Does there seem to be a protocol that is followed?  What I experienced was a clear understanding of what was taking place and what was to follow.  My daughter was accompanied by a female counselor into a changing room where she changed into her wilderness clothing and was then escorted to meet her new group.  I was able to speak to her before she left.

Can I speak for every other child?  Of course not, none of us can, in any situation public or private school unless we spoke to every child that ever attended.  All any of us can do is look at what they say they do and then verify ( where we can) and measure this by speaking with others and observing the final outcome.

If an organization can stand up and ?Do what they say?  and ?Say what they do? and you can be a witness or bystander to some of these procedures then one can start to become comfortable that this extends into the entire program.
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« Reply #1142 on: January 26, 2007, 02:36:11 PM »
Or you could delude yourself into thinking what you experienced for yourself is standard for the industry. Whoops already there.

I'll ask the question again. Is HLA a disreputable school considering there are reports of opposite sex being present during strip searches? Assuming of course the reports were true.
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« Reply #1143 on: January 26, 2007, 03:02:56 PM »
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Or you could delude yourself into thinking what you experienced for yourself is standard for the industry

Right on the money !!!  That is exactly what I have been talking about all along.  There are kids posting here who come out of places and had a bad experience and wrongly think that the entire industry is the same and like you pointed out, its delusional,  nothing is further from the truth.  Each school is different some better than others it is inaccurate to base ones experience with one school and apply it to all others.  If schools present themselves with policies that you are uncomfortable with i.e. strip search, fences, academics etc. then the parent needs to keep looking.  The right solution is out there.

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I'll ask the question again. Is HLA a disreputable school considering there are reports of opposite sex being present during strip searches? Assuming of course the reports were true.


Based on that statement I would say ?No? it is not, not based on random reports.  I would say if a situation like that occurred and the school took appropriate corrective action to assure it did not happen again then I would not say it was disreputable.  If the school did nothing to respond to reports and correct the problem then I would view the school as disreputable, in my opinion.
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« Reply #1144 on: January 26, 2007, 03:05:08 PM »
Who gave this retard a megaphone?
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« Reply #1145 on: January 26, 2007, 05:07:22 PM »
you also mentioned that you were not sure what the therapeudic benefits of workhops which left some kids in the foetal position crying were because you were not an expert. Given that you sent your daughter to this school did it not occur to you to ask? or did they not tell you that it does this to some kids. This is something i would imagine a parent would want to know.
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« Reply #1146 on: January 26, 2007, 05:17:54 PM »
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Who gave this retard a megaphone?

So THAT'S where my megaphone got off to!  :roll:

Give it back, Who!  :flame:
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« Reply #1147 on: January 26, 2007, 06:25:26 PM »
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Who gave this retard a megaphone?
So THAT'S where my megaphone got off to!  :roll:

Give it back, Who!  :flame:


Okay !  Guess I had it long enough, Fucktard, here ya go..........
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« Reply #1148 on: January 26, 2007, 06:45:36 PM »
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you also mentioned that you were not sure what the therapeudic benefits of workhops which left some kids in the foetal position crying were because you were not an expert. Given that you sent your daughter to this school did it not occur to you to ask? or did they not tell you that it does this to some kids. This is something i would imagine a parent would want to know.


I am not sure what you mean?  It didnt occur to me to ask if she may go into the fetal position,  I was speaking in hind sight.  If you take your child to see a therapist, is it reasonable to go over every emotion that may emerge and how you ,as a parent, want the therapist to procede?  For example:
If a child avoids a topic don?t push her,?? if she starts to cry call me at once, ?..if she goes into the fetal position I will sue you,?.. if she throws one of your lamps I will not pay for it??.  If she uses any bad language I want to hear about it??.  If she says anything negative about her mother I want it suppressed??  and here are a list of specific topics I don?t want her to discuss.

This just isnt how it works, Oz Girl.  Therapy may take you down many different paths and it is impossible to foreshadow and predict how a parent may want it dealt with each path and get permission.  I am not a professional in this area but I do know that you cant set these restrictions ahead of time.
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« Reply #1149 on: January 26, 2007, 06:58:06 PM »
Coercion under force of physical punishment. Change of receive emotional of physical pain. It's realy simple, actually.
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« Reply #1150 on: January 26, 2007, 07:04:01 PM »
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Coercion under force of physical punishment. Change of receive emotional of physical pain. It's realy simple, actually.


Sure and I guess if that doesnt work, they can shoot you and throw you in the river, where do people get this stuff?
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« Reply #1151 on: January 26, 2007, 07:04:41 PM »
TheWho, does your daughter read this with you and help you answer questions about her experience?
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« Reply #1152 on: January 26, 2007, 07:05:52 PM »
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where do people get this stuff?


Your daughter told me.
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« Reply #1153 on: January 26, 2007, 07:13:16 PM »
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This just isnt how it works, Oz Girl.  Therapy may take you down many different paths and it is impossible to foreshadow and predict how a parent may want it dealt with each path and get permission.  I am not a professional in this area but I do know that you cant set these restrictions ahead of time.


I dunno i could see a concerned and responsible parent looking at ASR as an option asking questions like
What specifically does the therapy consist of?
What are the benefits and risks of doing things in this fashion?
What is the view of the medical establishment of this?
Is there any literature you can give me on such therapy?
So many books are banned. My daughter is a bright girl, what is the educational benefit of this?
Appointments every weeknight , What time is allocated to homework? What about leisure?
Work assignments which include janitorial duties you say? i guess this certainly teaches a work ethic? Will my child be paid for such jobs?


After all this is a desperate measures designed to save a wayward adolescents life
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« Reply #1154 on: January 26, 2007, 07:46:07 PM »
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dunno i could see a concerned and responsible parent looking at ASR as an option asking questions like

What specifically does the therapy consist of?
Parents are given an overview but not specifics line by line.  Ask any therapist if parents go over every detail?.they just don?t.  They depend on the professionals to do their jobs


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What are the benefits and risks of doing things in this fashion?

Same as above


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What is the view of the medical establishment of this?

If the child has a specific ailment, or on a specific medication I believe it is discussed in more detail.

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Is there any literature you can give me on such therapy?

I had specific questions regarding how often the therapy sessions were and met the people in charge.  They were very responsive and answered all my questions

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So many books are banned. My daughter is a bright girl, what is the educational benefit of this?

They encourage reading at ASR.  I sent my daughter several books from a series she was reading before she went in and it was allowed.  I think they try to steer some kids away from books which may detract them from their work, maybe too violent, could be many reasons.  But with the reduced access to television and video games their time spent reading really escalates so this isn?t a problem.  There is plenty to read, if the book you want is banned read another and save that one for when you graduate, no biggie.

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Appointments every weeknight , What time is allocated to homework? What about leisure?

Yes, I did ask about this and the schedule is full.  They have access to the gym and swimming pool, cross country skiing in the winter time, ping pong.  They have date night, where you choose a boy/girl and go into town for pizza and a movie.  Homework is done in the study area during the day.  They have white water rafting and picnics etc. they keep you busy, many kids are not use to this.

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Work assignments which include janitorial duties you say? i guess this certainly teaches a work ethic? Will my child be paid for such jobs?


Ha,Ha, thats funny, this always comes up?..  I remember one girl that was really upset about having to vacuum the lobby, when I was visiting, she said it was maids work.  She was obviously never given chores at home.
The way it works?? everyone is responsible for different areas (their own rooms of course) my daughter was in charge of the lobby and keeping it up.  She had to work herself but she also had to direct others.  This is great for self esteem, team building, work ethic, working with others etc. it is very beneficial
I really don?t expect kids to understand this, I didn?t when I was in high school so blast away, I don?t mind.
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