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« Reply #1050 on: January 18, 2007, 01:27:26 PM »
July 1, 1999 thru June 2000  

Elementary and secondary  schools

At School ---21 school associated Deaths  (16 Homicides,6 suicides)

Away from school  (2,124 Homicides, 1,922 Suicides)

Note: Data were drawn from a number of data sets to enable comparisons of homicides and suicides at school and away from school. Data for school-associated violent deaths during the 1999-2000.

National Center for Educational Statistics

Time frame:  July 1, 1999 thru June 2000  (52,000,000 students)

At School --- 21 school associated Deaths  (16  Homicides .00003%, 6 suicides .000012%)

Away from school  --(2,124 Homicides 0.0041%, 1,922 Suicides 0.0037%)



And estimated, I think a population of 30,000 kids.

So At TBS?s the results would be:
At School  ---   0 (0 Homicides, 0 suicide)

Away from School ? 1 (0 Homicides 0%, 1 Suicide 0.0033%)


So from a TBS vs National average the TBS?s had much lower rates of Suicides and Homicides for the same time period ?at school? and about the same ?away from school.?
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« Reply #1051 on: January 18, 2007, 01:32:27 PM »
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July 1, 1999 thru June 2000  

Elementary and secondary  schools

At School ---21 school associated Deaths  (16 Homicides,6 suicides)

Away from school  (2,124 Homicides, 1,922 Suicides)

Note: Data were drawn from a number of data sets to enable comparisons of homicides and suicides at school and away from school. Data for school-associated violent deaths during the 1999-2000.

National Center for Educational Statistics

Time frame:  July 1, 1999 thru June 2000  (52,000,000 students)

At School --- 21 school associated Deaths  (16  Homicides .00003%, 6 suicides .000012%)

Away from school  --(2,124 Homicides 0.0041%, 1,922 Suicides 0.0037%)



And estimated, I think a population of 30,000 kids.

So At TBS?s the results would be:
At School  ---   0 (0 Homicides, 0 suicide)

Away from School ? 1 (0 Homicides 0%, 1 Suicide 0.0033%)


So from a TBS vs National average the TBS?s had much lower rates of Suicides and Homicides for the same time period ?at school? and about the same ?away from school.?


fuck, man...we've been through this, it's apples and oranges again.  Some of these "TBS's" are lockdown facilities, and the kids are under supervision constantly.  The kids got in trouble while going to regular school, a TBS is supposed to protect them from killing themselves or each other.  You really spin in circles, dil-jam.  What's the national average for elementary and secondary kids killed by improper restraints?
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« Reply #1052 on: January 18, 2007, 01:35:30 PM »
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By claiming that there is no evidence that any children have ever been hurt by ASR you are effectivly discounting the experiences of any student who claims otherwise. Picture it this way, Anne has mentioned many times that she was once raped. If you were to state that her attacker was a humanitarian who had never harmed a soul you have effectively discounted the fact that he did hurt her, even without flat out calling her a liar.


You read into it anyway you like, I see it differently, I am talking about the intent of the school.  If a child was raped at a public school, could we conclude that public schools are designed or structured to allow this?  Should all public schools be closed because of this event?
I have said this before that anywhere there are kids there are going to be people taking advantage of them whether that be a public school, a church or a TBS.  Kids are going to get abused everywhere, I am not saying TBS are immune to this.  I just believe they are safer
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« Reply #1053 on: January 18, 2007, 01:37:04 PM »
And that's still not mentioning the 17 kids killed by staff.

At School --- 17 school associated Deaths (17 Homicides .056%, 0 suicides = 0%)
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« Reply #1054 on: January 18, 2007, 01:37:44 PM »
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By claiming that there is no evidence that any children have ever been hurt by ASR you are effectivly discounting the experiences of any student who claims otherwise. Picture it this way, Anne has mentioned many times that she was once raped. If you were to state that her attacker was a humanitarian who had never harmed a soul you have effectively discounted the fact that he did hurt her, even without flat out calling her a liar.

You read into it anyway you like, I see it differently, I am talking about the intent of the school.  If a child was raped at a public school, could we conclude that public schools are designed or structured to allow this?  Should all public schools be closed because of this event?
I have said this before that anywhere there are kids there are going to be people taking advantage of them whether that be a public school, a church or a TBS.  Kids are going to get abused everywhere, I am not saying TBS are immune to this.  I just believe they are safer


No, it just means they're more likely to be killed by a staff goon than one of their peers.
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« Reply #1055 on: January 18, 2007, 01:39:22 PM »
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You read into it anyway you like, I see it differently, I am talking about the intent of the school.  If a child was raped at a public school, could we conclude that public schools are designed or structured to allow this?  Should all public schools be closed because of this event?
I have said this before that anywhere there are kids there are going to be people taking advantage of them whether that be a public school, a church or a TBS.  Kids are going to get abused everywhere, I am not saying TBS are immune to this.  I just believe they are safer

But they need to be subject to regulation. :idea:

Case closed.  :lol:
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« Reply #1056 on: January 18, 2007, 01:41:25 PM »
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Kids are going to get abused everywhere, I am not saying TBS are immune to this.  I just believe they are safer



The very nature and design of TBSs is abusive. LifeSteps/LGATs/raps/propheets.....they come from the same model, for the same reason.  To change someone's behavior, alter their belief system......make them behave.  It's abusive.  It's emotional rape.  You can't make it better or safer or kinder or gentler.


This stuff is abusive....

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2826&start=1860
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« Reply #1057 on: January 18, 2007, 01:41:29 PM »
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fuck, man...we've been through this, it's apples and oranges again. Some of these "TBS's" are lockdown facilities, and the kids are under supervision constantly. The kids got in trouble while going to regular school, a TBS is supposed to protect them from killing themselves or each other. You really spin in circles, dil-jam. What's the national average for elementary and secondary kids killed by improper restraints?


Exactly, So by protecting them they are safer!!!  and in the meantime they are getting help so that it will hopefully reduce the chance of it happening after they leave.
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« Reply #1058 on: January 18, 2007, 01:42:55 PM »
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[ So he decides against sending her and she gets a hold of a lethal dose of Heroin and she dies a week later.  


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That is almost word-for-word the same line of bullshit that Straight, etc. spouted.  It was a crock of shit then, and a crock of shit now.

Using your logic, suppose they send the kid to "treatment" and she hangs herself in a closet.  Or worse, she survives the abuse only to be scarred for life by it.  But there's hope--she may one day, in a vengeful rage, kill the asshole parent who sent her there and keep him from associating his fucked-up, obviously insane philosophy with the name of a fine rock group.  We can all dare to dream, huh, The Who?

You are an asshole who should be nailed to the wall at one of these "treatment centers" that you are so enamored of, along with all the other abusive, neglectful, incompetent, and downright stupid parents like yourself.

You brag about abusing your daughter as if you did her some kind of favor.  You abandoned her to strangers in a potentially dangerous situation where mindfucks and psychic rape are the desired results.  Hopefully, she will one day repay your loving wisdom with a rusty razor blade and castrate you so that you will be incapable of producing more targets for your abusive, sick amusement.  Sleep tight, Daddy-O, you're baby's been just fine since you had her head rearranged.
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« Reply #1059 on: January 18, 2007, 01:43:05 PM »
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Exactly, So by protecting them they are safer!!!  and in the meantime they are getting help so that it will hopefully reduce the chance of it happening after they leave.


TBSs advertise that they're safe.  The fundamentals on which they're based and which they continue to use are abusive.
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« Reply #1060 on: January 18, 2007, 01:43:30 PM »
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You read into it anyway you like, I see it differently, I am talking about the intent of the school.  If a child was raped at a public school, could we conclude that public schools are designed or structured to allow this?  Should all public schools be closed because of this event?
I have said this before that anywhere there are kids there are going to be people taking advantage of them whether that be a public school, a church or a TBS.  Kids are going to get abused everywhere, I am not saying TBS are immune to this.  I just believe they are safer
But they need to be subject to regulation. :idea:

Case closed.  :lol:


I agree 100%  lets get those regulators after them ASAP, start fining them to motivate them, but dont blame the schools, they are not going to volunteer to oversight.
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« Reply #1061 on: January 18, 2007, 01:43:32 PM »
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fuck, man...we've been through this, it's apples and oranges again. Some of these "TBS's" are lockdown facilities, and the kids are under supervision constantly. The kids got in trouble while going to regular school, a TBS is supposed to protect them from killing themselves or each other. You really spin in circles, dil-jam. What's the national average for elementary and secondary kids killed by improper restraints?

Exactly, So by protecting them they are safer!!!  and in the meantime they are getting help so that it will hopefully reduce the chance of it happening after they leave.

You ever listen to any Black Sabbath, Who?
(Bear with me here..)
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« Reply #1062 on: January 18, 2007, 01:48:20 PM »
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You read into it anyway you like, I see it differently, I am talking about the intent of the school.  If a child was raped at a public school, could we conclude that public schools are designed or structured to allow this?  Should all public schools be closed because of this event?
I have said this before that anywhere there are kids there are going to be people taking advantage of them whether that be a public school, a church or a TBS.  Kids are going to get abused everywhere, I am not saying TBS are immune to this.  I just believe they are safer
But they need to be subject to regulation. :idea:

Case closed.  :lol:

I agree 100%  lets get those regulators after them ASAP, start fining them to motivate them, but dont blame the schools, they are not going to volunteer to oversight.


What's NATSAP?  It's the fox guarding the hen house.  They've submitted to "self-regulation", why be so wary of Federal regulation?  Most programs would have to make huge overhauls, which cut into the bottom line.  You're right, they won't volunteer...
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« Reply #1063 on: January 18, 2007, 01:51:54 PM »
Have to sign off for a bit.............
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« Reply #1064 on: January 18, 2007, 02:36:10 PM »
Is he gone?  Great, we can talk shit about him until he returns...
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