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« Reply #945 on: January 17, 2007, 03:01:25 PM »
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Piracy is great!!!!!  Grabbed the kids and a few of their friends last Sat. and cruised to Sarasota for the day.  Dolphins riding the bow-wake, drinks at the tikibar and a sunset cruise home.  Couldn't have been better.

 :D  8-)

Cant get much better than that....... Finally living the good life with family.... Good for you Anne!!


Thanks but it's a shame that it had to take this long.  My kids and I both missed out on a lot while wrapped up in that mentality.


I understand, I wish I could go back and get a Mulligan.  I would have addressed a few things a lttle earlier and done things a lot differently.  Those years she spent at ASR could have been spent with us at home......
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« Reply #946 on: January 17, 2007, 03:04:51 PM »
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I just hope that your parents aren't remote to your kids because of your little schism... that hurts them a lot. Oh, and you too.


Funny you should mention that.  Dad and I are just now beginning to talk after about 6 years of total estrangement (and about 15 parially).  During that 6 years he cut off my kids too and he had custody of the oldest for 3 years.   They did that when I left my ex due to rampant cocaine use.  That was tough love.  I moved out cuz of the coke but I was smoking pot so I was just as bad, I needed to be cut off (even though I had two babies).  "We'll take the babies though, don't you worry.  They'll be fine.  Here, just sign this paper so we can get medical treatment for them if we need to.  Cusody?  No, we're not taking your kids from you dear, this is just a little help".

Three years later I get custody of my kids back. :flame:

But back to your original question, yes....they cut off contact with my kids too.
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« Reply #947 on: January 17, 2007, 03:06:41 PM »
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Piracy is great!!!!!  Grabbed the kids and a few of their friends last Sat. and cruised to Sarasota for the day.  Dolphins riding the bow-wake, drinks at the tikibar and a sunset cruise home.  Couldn't have been better.

 :D  8-)

Cant get much better than that....... Finally living the good life with family.... Good for you Anne!!


Thanks but it's a shame that it had to take this long.  My kids and I both missed out on a lot while wrapped up in that mentality.

I understand, I wish I could go back and get a Mulligan.  I would have addressed a few things a lttle earlier and done things a lot differently.  Those years she spent at ASR could have been spent with us at home......


It's not just those years that have been lost.  It's so much more that you'll never understand.
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« Reply #948 on: January 17, 2007, 03:08:00 PM »
Sadly enough I can even understand how that feels for you... well, as a sibling not as the parent.

Oy.
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« Reply #949 on: January 17, 2007, 03:34:13 PM »
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I understand, I wish I could go back and get a Mulligan. I would have addressed a few things a lttle earlier and done things a lot differently. Those years she spent at ASR could have been spent with us at home......


Then why in God's name are you on here, on post one thousand, four hundred and thirty-three, on a constant crusade to discredit Fornits and uphold programs and desperately trying to convince parents reading this that everything will be all right if they send their kid away?!

WHY?!

For the love of fuck, Who, don't you understand why we're here?
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« Reply #950 on: January 17, 2007, 03:36:26 PM »
i'm sure he thinks it's because we 'have no life.'

that's the typical pp response.
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« Reply #951 on: January 17, 2007, 03:40:14 PM »
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You just self contradicted yourself.

Redundant.  :D
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« Reply #952 on: January 17, 2007, 03:47:37 PM »
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[Yeah, I know what you mean.  Most of these parents can't really be bothered to actually parent their child.  Then when behavioral problems (real or perceived) crop up, they panic and go running off for 'help'.  Mine were too wrapped up in their own issues when I was growing up to really bother with me.  I felt very alone (only child too).  They separeted and then divorced when I was 14 and mom and I moved out.  I had just started high school and was switching from being sheltered in private school my whole life to public.  I did the normal smoking, drinking and general raising hell.  Skipping school, got in a car accident, change of friends...ya know, all those 'warning signs' TBSs are so fond of.  They got scared and put me in Straight.  So you've got pretty much this empty vessel.  Since mom and dad were so busy with their own lives and problems that they couldn't really be bothered to teach me anything about life, I really had no sense of self or roots.  Then heap two years of cult brainwashing and send me off into the world to be a well adjusted adult.  Riiiiiiiiight. :roll:

And you can add to the reality of parents not wanting to be parents the fact that back then (and now to a good extent) parents' lack of real knowledge about drugs put them in a vulnerable position that could be easily taken advantage of by the program pushers.
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« Reply #953 on: January 17, 2007, 03:54:34 PM »
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I understand, I wish I could go back and get a Mulligan. I would have addressed a few things a lttle earlier and done things a lot differently. Those years she spent at ASR could have been spent with us at home......

Then why in God's name are you on here, on post one thousand, four hundred and thirty-three, on a constant crusade to discredit Fornits and uphold programs and desperately trying to convince parents reading this that everything will be all right if they send their kid away?!

WHY?!

For the love of fuck, Who, don't you understand why we're here?

He loves the abuse.  Besides, what else has he got to do except figure out how to work the words "cock-trap" and "gruntskid" into his vocabulary?
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« Reply #954 on: January 17, 2007, 04:00:56 PM »
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hierarchial excuse machine

You know where I can get a good deal on one of these?  :lol:
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« Reply #955 on: January 17, 2007, 04:02:04 PM »
I guess, Anne, you don't know what would have happened to you (as compared to your friends) if you had not gone to Straight.

Is your incredible anger at parents due to the fact that your relationship with your own was so damaged?  It seems to really anger you that there are parents whose kids come out of a program and don't hate them and families that have learned to heal.  There are also parents, like Who, who listen to their kids about the whole program experience.
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« Reply #956 on: January 17, 2007, 04:03:54 PM »
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Well, maybe it may be better understood if I said the entire family is affected and it becomes a family problem, not just a single person.

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« Reply #957 on: January 17, 2007, 04:05:18 PM »
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I guess, Anne, you don't know what would have happened to you (as compared to your friends) if you had not gone to Straight.

Is your incredible anger at parents due to the fact that your relationship with your own was so damaged?  It seems to really anger you that there are parents whose kids come out of a program and don't hate them and families that have learned to heal.  There are also parents, like Who, who listen to their kids about the whole program experience.

Does it anger you that there's a party in your mouth and everyone's coming?  :rofl:
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« Reply #958 on: January 17, 2007, 04:07:25 PM »
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I understand, I wish I could go back and get a Mulligan. I would have addressed a few things a lttle earlier and done things a lot differently. Those years she spent at ASR could have been spent with us at home......

Then why in God's name are you on here, on post one thousand, four hundred and thirty-three, on a constant crusade to discredit Fornits and uphold programs and desperately trying to convince parents reading this that everything will be all right if they send their kid away?!

WHY?!

For the love of fuck, Who, don't you understand why we're here?
He loves the abuse.  Besides, what else has he got to do except figure out how to work the words "cock-trap" and "gruntskid" into his vocabulary?


Because in hindsight (which is 20/20) I see that I could have done things differently to dissuade her from going down the path she was on, put her on the right path myself, read the signs better and help her early.  I think I could have avoided having her attend ASR.  I still think it was the right thing to do, based on the circumstances and how far down the path she got unchecked.  
I am not trying to discredit anyone.  I am just adding a different perspective or balance to the discussion.  I don?t advocate all programs or that all kids should go to one, never have.
If parents hear fornits say that all school are no good, they are not going to believe you?.if they hear a balanced argument that will help them chose a healthier path for their child via , local services, which are the better schools, who should I speak to etc.  
Personally if I were a parent looking for help,  I would like to be steered away from Straight and maybe towards a TBS like ASR.  If I heard that every school in the world is no good I think I would smell an agenda and move on.  This isn?t helping anyone, especially the child.
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« Reply #959 on: January 17, 2007, 04:08:18 PM »
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You just self contradicted yourself.

You say the parents should be parents and look out for the kids, then say there is no single victim?

BRB gotta go stop my brains from leaking out of my ears.

Well, maybe it may be better understood if I said the entire family is affected and it becomes a family problem, not just a single person.

Fucked my whole family up for a while, left it in splinters, separate camps, people no longer speaking and my wife pulling double-duty on damage control and being mom.  So fuck a program.  That's just my opinion, man, based on personal experience.  Real experience Whoot-boy.

What say you, Who?
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