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« Reply #765 on: January 13, 2007, 03:30:19 PM »
Not interested in public high schools.  Wrong forum.  Kids are put in these programs to "save" them, not lead them to suicide.
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« Reply #766 on: January 13, 2007, 03:32:17 PM »
Love in Action- A gay rehab clinic in Tennessee also classified as a TBS The director recently told students he prefered they kill themselves over going back to the gay lifestyle.
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« Reply #767 on: January 13, 2007, 03:33:45 PM »
No no no Cindy. You claimed one suicide in 30 years. You've already been proven wrong, don't try and dodge the issue.
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« Reply #768 on: January 13, 2007, 03:35:03 PM »
Jack Mcyntire killed himself after being sent to a psych ward from Love in Action because he couldnt "lose the gay". He did so with sleeping pills.
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« Reply #769 on: January 13, 2007, 03:37:17 PM »
I'll tell you what Cindy, here's a listing from the ISAC website detailing all kinds of examples of the things you claim never happen at TBS's. Read them, and actually do it this time, and then we will talk.



Until then you are ordered to shut the fuck up.


http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp
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« Reply #770 on: January 13, 2007, 03:40:18 PM »
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Not interested in public high schools.  Wrong forum.  Kids are put in these programs to "save" them, not lead them to suicide.


I think the question was "How safe are kids in TBS vs public Highschool".  They currently have data on Public schools' violent deaths and suicide during the timeframe July 1999 to June 2000.  I believe the TBS faired better in both categories.
I would actually expect the TBS to have a high rate because the cross section or population in the TBS is more concentrated with at risk kids than in a highschool where you have a full spectrum of kids.
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« Reply #771 on: January 13, 2007, 03:41:05 PM »
I don't think Layne Brown is listed, but he committed suicide after being tortured and humiliated at Tranquility Bay.
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« Reply #772 on: January 13, 2007, 03:44:58 PM »
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Not interested in public high schools.  Wrong forum.  Kids are put in these programs to "save" them, not lead them to suicide.

I think the question was "How safe are kids in TBS vs public Highschool".  They currently have data on Public schools' violent deaths and suicide during the timeframe July 1999 to June 2000.  I believe the TBS faired better in both categories.
I would actually expect the TBS to have a high rate because the cross section or population in the TBS is more concentrated with at risk kids than in a highschool where you have a full spectrum of kids.


They should be absolutely safe, shouldn't they?  I mean, you're saving them from death or jail.  There's constant supervision at a TBS, I don't see how you can compare a high school to a program.
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« Reply #773 on: January 13, 2007, 03:48:02 PM »
July 1, 1999 thru June 2000  

Elementary and secondary  schools

At School ---21 school associated Deaths  (16 Homicides,6 suicides)

Away from school  (2,124 Homicides, 1,922 Suicides)

Note: Data were drawn from a number of data sets to enable comparisons of homicides and suicides at school and away from school. Data for school-associated violent deaths during the 1999-2000.

National Center for Educational Statistics

Time frame:  July 1, 1999 thru June 2000  (52,000,000 students)

At School --- 21 school associated Deaths  (16  Homicides .00003%, 6 suicides .000012%)

Away from school  (2,124 Homicides 0.0041%, 1,922 Suicides 0.0037%)



And estimated at a population of 30,000 kids at a TBS that year.

So At TBS?s the results would be:

At School  ---   0 (0 Homicides, 0 suicide)

Away from School ? 1 (0 Homicides 0%, 1 Suicide 0.0033%)

So from a TBS vs National average the TBS?s had much lower rates of Suicides and Homicides for the same time period ?at school? and about the same ?away from school.?
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« Reply #774 on: January 13, 2007, 03:50:52 PM »
Cue the archivists coming in with the rest of the data... now.
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« Reply #775 on: January 13, 2007, 03:54:23 PM »
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Not interested in public high schools.  Wrong forum.  Kids are put in these programs to "save" them, not lead them to suicide.

I think the question was "How safe are kids in TBS vs public Highschool".  They currently have data on Public schools' violent deaths and suicide during the timeframe July 1999 to June 2000.  I believe the TBS faired better in both categories.
I would actually expect the TBS to have a high rate because the cross section or population in the TBS is more concentrated with at risk kids than in a highschool where you have a full spectrum of kids.


As usual, you're misrepresenting the facts.
Where's the justification for paying $6000 a month to 'increase' your kids change of being harmed- one of the warnings against the aggregation of 'troubled kids'. No one in their right mind would do so. They certainly wouldn't refinance their homes, take out loans, cash in 401K to send their kid somewhere to be abused and neglected, if they had an inkling of what the real industry stats are.
Those stats aren't collected by any agency for the public's use. Thanks to sites like ISAC, we are beginning to have a good database, but these lists do not include the near-deaths, violence, sexual assaults, injuries and accidents.
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« Reply #776 on: January 13, 2007, 04:00:10 PM »
Once again, who, at a TBS the kids are ALWAYS BEING SUPERVISED.  TBS and high schools are apples and oranges.
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« Reply #777 on: January 13, 2007, 04:02:45 PM »
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Not interested in public high schools.  Wrong forum.  Kids are put in these programs to "save" them, not lead them to suicide.

I think the question was "How safe are kids in TBS vs public Highschool".  They currently have data on Public schools' violent deaths and suicide during the timeframe July 1999 to June 2000.  I believe the TBS faired better in both categories.
I would actually expect the TBS to have a high rate because the cross section or population in the TBS is more concentrated with at risk kids than in a highschool where you have a full spectrum of kids.

They should be absolutely safe, shouldn't they?  I mean, you're saving them from death or jail.  There's constant supervision at a TBS, I don't see how you can compare a high school to a program.


Yes, I agree, in theory but not all kids can be reached.  If you took a population of "At Risk" for say suicide and then a random cut from the public sector.  We would expect the "At risk " group to have a higher rate.  You take this "At Risk" group and treat them and supervise them you would see a decrease but I believe you would still see kids who could not be helped.
So yes it would show to be safer statistically.
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« Reply #778 on: January 13, 2007, 04:04:12 PM »
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So from a TBS vs National average the TBS?s had much lower rates of Suicides and Homicides for the same time period ?at school? and about the same ?away from school.?


I'm not going back there with you so you can twist and turn the information to your liking. What's relevant to this discussion is that there were 15 kids who died in programs during that time frame. Kids whose parents were assured that while they (the parents) couldn't keep them safe 24/7, the program could. That's, after-all, how they justify their outrageous fees.
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« Reply #779 on: January 13, 2007, 04:08:25 PM »
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Yes, I agree, in theory but not all kids can be reached.  If you took a population of "At Risk" for say suicide and then a random cut from the public sector.  We would expect the "At risk " group to have a higher rate.  You take this "At Risk" group and treat them and supervise them you would see a decrease but I believe you would still see kids who could not be helped.
So yes it would show to be safer statistically.


These "unreachable" kids are acceptable losses, then?  The facility was paid to keep them safe.  They need to be held liable for these "unreachable" kids.  By the way, no kid is unreachable, they're just getting the wrong treatment.
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