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« Reply #735 on: January 13, 2007, 01:28:38 PM »
yes I did have discussions regarding HLA and the nurses position as well as others.  But I dont recall saying the school was as good as ASR or that I would send my child there.  Maybe I would , who knows,but I would have to investigate it first.  I suggest others to do the same......
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« Reply #736 on: January 13, 2007, 01:31:55 PM »
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 Think of what goes on in the public sector, rape, suicide, drug overdose, bullying, graduate without being able to read, gang violence., Columbine violence.  TBS's dont experience any of this crap.

Smoking out on angel dust again, eh, TheWho?  There are rapes, illiterate graduates, bullying, and gang violence (not Crips and Bloods, but essentially "gangs") at every program ever mentioned on Fornits.  In most programs, it's  considered part of the therapy.

You are obviously a brain-damaged, ignorant buffoon, The Who.  For you to make statements like the one above, you obviously know nothing of what you are talking abgout.  Kinda like the Pope and sex.  You like to talk about it and tell others what it's about, but you have no personal experience of it at all.

Name a gang at ASR?

Wow I seemed to have missed this post by RTP... Did he delete it??
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« Reply #737 on: January 13, 2007, 01:32:04 PM »
So, whoboy, you sat around listening to the Who and gathered nothing about teenage wasteland?  You think Pete Townshend would approve of the industry?  After listening to Quadrophenia, do you think a program would have fixed Jimmy?  You don't need to take draconian measures because your kid smoked a joint.  If you don't think your kid can find his way through normative adolescent behavior, then you fucked up.  Addiction runs in families anyway, so there's denial on the parents' part to face it.  Can't fix the kid if you can't fix yourself.

You're conflicted.  Part of growing up is teenage angst.  Parents have a kneejerk reaction when they find out their kid has become a teenager and ship 'em off.  Also, kids don't have the privacy they once did.  MySpace pages have been responsible for getting a few kids shipped off.  I know all about that.
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« Reply #738 on: January 13, 2007, 01:48:04 PM »
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You don't need to take draconian measures because your kid smoked a joint.

And what is wrong with smoking a joint?  I don?t think many parents are spending $6,000 a month to curb a kid smoking a joint.  People here don?t even understand the problem, how are you going to solve anything?

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If you don't think your kid can find his way through normative adolescent behavior, then you fucked up.

Done, she is 21 and doing fine?..

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Addiction runs in families anyway, so there's denial on the parents' part to face it.

Maybe for some, yes.  But the problems kids face run through a full spectrum not just addiction issues.

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You're conflicted.


I think you are?..I know what worked for my child, the proof is in the pudding,  you think every problem is the same, every parent is the same, all the kids have addictions and only smoked a joint and ended up in a TBS or boot camp.  The kids/families problems run way deeper than that.
Your views are way off the mark that is why parents are not listening to you.
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« Reply #739 on: January 13, 2007, 01:54:08 PM »
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If you don't think your kid can find his way through normative adolescent behavior, then you fucked up.

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Done, she is 21 and doing fine?..


I think you missed the point.  You shipped her off.

Don't weedle around on this and use your "story" like it's the only one.    You seem to be blind to everything else except the experience you claim to have had.  Anyone else's hellish time spent in a program is dismissed by you.
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« Reply #740 on: January 13, 2007, 02:06:59 PM »
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Your views are way off the mark that is why parents are not listening to you.


Parents are listening to us Who, that's why these places are closing down. Haven't you been paying attention? Take your blinders off.
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« Reply #741 on: January 13, 2007, 02:09:07 PM »
Oh and as to your comments regarding HLA you rambled on and on about how YOU didnt see a problem, thus no one else should either. After you were reminded multiple times that you knew nothing about HLA thus you could not speak on it you refused to listen and were eventually schooled and burned. Thus you left in shame trying to avoid all reminders of your previous blunders.
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« Reply #742 on: January 13, 2007, 02:11:54 PM »
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Don't weedle around on this and use your "story" like it's the only one. You seem to be blind to everything else except the experience you claim to have had. Anyone else's hellish time spent in a program is dismissed by you.


I think you have it backwards, I have spoken to, listened and agreed with many kids that have gone thru the program especially from ASR.  You are wrong again? What seems to be denied here on Fornits is that many kids are helped by these programs.  I admit that some kids don?t do well but it is you and many here that continuously keep your eyes shut to the fact that kids benefit.
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« Reply #743 on: January 13, 2007, 02:13:39 PM »
Several times, The Who has decried the safety record of the public school system. He makes it sound like anarchy reigns in the public schools and so we should all ship our kids off to a program where they will safe.

Fact: Children are safer at school than at any other time. They are statistically more likely to be the victim of crime or violence (including murder) at home or in the community than they are at school. You can find several documented sources for this FACT if you bother to look. I am not going to do the research for you (remind you something you said?).
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« Reply #744 on: January 13, 2007, 02:25:21 PM »
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I think you have it backwards, I have spoken to, listened and agreed with many kids that have gone thru the program especially from ASR.  You are wrong again? What seems to be denied here on Fornits is that many kids are helped by these programs.  I admit that some kids don?t do well but it is you and many here that continuously keep your eyes shut to the fact that kids benefit.


Kids die, too.  So where's the middle ground for us, Who?  Are you one of those "So what if some kids die, the program saved mine from prison or death" types?
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« Reply #745 on: January 13, 2007, 02:28:51 PM »
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Several times, The Who has decried the safety record of the public school system. He makes it sound like anarchy reigns in the public schools and so we should all ship our kids off to a program where they will safe.

Fact: Children are safer at school than at any other time. They are statistically more likely to be the victim of crime or violence (including murder) at home or in the community than they are at school. You can find several documented sources for this FACT if you bother to look. I am not going to do the research for you (remind you something you said?).


It may be safer, but is it safe.?  I think we know how safe the schools are these days for suicide and drugs and if your facts hold up and they are less safe in their community then getting the kids out of both for a short term if they are "At Risk" might be benificial to some of them?
I think we some how came to the same conclusion..
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« Reply #746 on: January 13, 2007, 02:38:20 PM »
Who, i think its pretty unsafe right now...how bout I come over to your house, kidnapp you take you off far away..mabye even out of the country , you will have no right to challenge my decision to kidnap and imprison you, keep you totally isolated from the outside world, have total power over you, do anything I want to you, including torture, and do it everyday for ...I dont know... 10 years?Or do you feel you are a human who thusly deserves human rights...guess what youth is flesh as you are flesh and deserve the same protections


Luckily the creepy absurdness of advocating imprisoning youth wetheror not  theyve commited a crime or have problems until "its safe" is apparent to anyone who is literate.

Please dont respond to this man anymore. He is just distracting from the Carlbrook thread
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« Reply #747 on: January 13, 2007, 02:40:07 PM »
oops that last part got jumbled. I meant distracting from issues
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« Reply #748 on: January 13, 2007, 02:41:46 PM »
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Don't weedle around on this and use your "story" like it's the only one. You seem to be blind to everything else except the experience you claim to have had. Anyone else's hellish time spent in a program is dismissed by you.

I think you have it backwards, I have spoken to, listened and agreed with many kids that have gone thru the program especially from ASR.  You are wrong again? What seems to be denied here on Fornits is that many kids are helped by these programs.  I admit that some kids don?t do well but it is you and many here that continuously keep your eyes shut to the fact that kids benefit.


Yeh, like your's, right? And like Aspen gave you access to all their attendees. I've seen you talk to a few kids here and claim that they are lying or grossly exaggerating, with no proof to base your comment on.
Who are you really?
What kind of 'parent' would, two years after the fact, be defending a program that admittedly didn't work for their child?
Exactly how do you profit from promoting Aspen programs?
Are you one of their Regional Marketing people?

Back to your personal 'success' story. You've claimed to not care that your daughter smoked pot after the program, that you were most concerned about her education. So you stick her in a lock-down where she is forced to get some quasi-education, then she bolts post-program and doesn't attend college, and doesn't talk to you for two years.

How do you consider any of that to be remotely 'successful' based on what you've stated that you wanted for her?

What YOU wanted for her, clearly is not what she wanted.
Teens will arrive at autonomy, despite their parents best attempts to interrupt it.
They have an internal drive toward autonomy which frequently puts them in conflict with a controlling parent. In addition to the normal confusion, there is a sense of betrayal. They can betray themselves by denying their own internal drives to live and learn, or they are forced with betraying their control freak parents.
The more controlling you are, the further you push him/her away. That's when you see excessive rebellion... aka ODD, abuse of substances, and all the other labels and problems program parents fear.

You, and the industry at large, have failed to show HOW the industry works. What most at Fornits say is that YES, a child can appear to have change. The program can definitely alter the kids behavior. But, HOW? And do the means justify the end. The more that's uncovered about the industry, the answer is a resoundingly, NO.
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« Reply #749 on: January 13, 2007, 02:50:29 PM »
No one comes to the same concluscion as you Who. You continue to somehow ignore that these TBS's are more dangerous than public schools and the kids home communities.
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