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« Reply #555 on: January 12, 2007, 12:16:39 PM »
And you have not dismissed that TBS?s are bad  for some kids?
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« Reply #556 on: January 12, 2007, 12:17:39 PM »
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Many kids grow and suffer at home.  Trying to get thru the teenage years is difficult at beast and their ican much pain involved as they grow.

That's the natural process that is supposed to happen.  You guys take that away when you ship these kids off.

 
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The pain and suffering may not be the result of the school but may be natural maturation.  I think we can all point to many kids we knew who grew and matured at home and it wasnt considered a joyous occasion.

I've used this analogy before but it fits.  I was raped when I was 15.  It made me stronger eventually.  I sure would go back in time and remove that night from my life if I could though.  Whatever growth comes from abuse isn't worth it.



 I was referring to the pain and suffering of growing up at home naturally, not kids that were beaten or raped.  I believe pain and suffering can be a natural process of getting thru the teen years for most kids.
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« Reply #557 on: January 12, 2007, 12:19:06 PM »
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And you have not dismissed that TBS?s are good for some kids?


You haven't been paying attention, have you.  Yes.  I have outright dismissed the idea that TBSs and LGAT-style seminars are good for some kids.
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« Reply #558 on: January 12, 2007, 12:21:18 PM »
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How about that 'deluxe edition' release of Live at Leeds, Who?

Is that some good live playing, or what?? Goddam, but The Who could fuckin'  jam! :smokin:

There's a lot of good music on those two CDs that was left off of the original LP release way back when. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the vinyl medium as much as the next old dude but this is a damned good "record" here. If you haven't heard it yet, you neeed to, Who.  :rofl:


I havent heard the Delux edition, just purchased the full DVD collection of ?Led Zepplin? a couple of weeks ago, I haven?t heard Album I in years.

 The Who could Jam, I caught them at the Spectrum in Philadelphia in 1973, I think.  It was their Quadraphenia tour, They cranked ?The real me? for about 30 minutes, I think, My generation, The sea.  When they finished up, no one screamed for an encore but just sat there silent for 10 minutes and lit what ever they had, lighter, candle etc. and finally the keyboard started on a dark stage and he played a 10 minute 20 minute intro to ?Wont be fooled again? then one by one ,Townsend, Entwistle came on stage, slow spotlight on Moon and  finally Daltry came flying across the stage on his knees screaming.  It was unbelievable.  It wasn?t my top concert but definitely top 5.

This thread is supposed to be about The Who, isn't it?  :question:
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« Reply #559 on: January 12, 2007, 12:22:34 PM »
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 I was referring to the pain and suffering of growing up at home naturally, not kids that were beaten or raped.  I believe pain and suffering can be a natural process of getting thru the teen years for most kids.



Sure, if they're allowed to grow up at home naturally.  You people yank that chance out from under them.

Actually, the rape was much easier to deal with than the emotional toll that Straight took from me.  The raps that were supposed to "free us" and "show us a better way of life" fucked me up but good.  Those raps, like the LGATs, are....pay attention now....inherently dangerous.

Those raps, like the LGATs, are....pay attention now....inherently dangerous.

Those raps, like the LGATs, are....pay attention now....inherently dangerous.

Those raps, like the LGATs, are....pay attention now....inherently dangerous.

Those raps, like the LGATs, are....pay attention now....inherently dangerous.
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« Reply #560 on: January 12, 2007, 12:32:21 PM »
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And you have not dismissed that TBS?s are good for some kids?

You haven't been paying attention, have you.  Yes.  I have outright dismissed the idea that TBSs and LGAT-style seminars are good for some kids.


Then why does it bother you when others are dissmissive towards your views?
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« Reply #561 on: January 12, 2007, 12:32:42 PM »
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I am not saying he was spoiled, just use to a different , unhealthy lifestyle.  We can change it to ?  A kid banging his chair on the table because he is being forced to do something he doesn?t want to do?


What does the program do that mom/dad couldn't?
Force doesn't work for teen, anyone for that matter. It's a direct insult to their intelligence. Fight or flight kicks in, and in program can result in a restraint.
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« Reply #562 on: January 12, 2007, 12:34:40 PM »
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Then why does it bother you when others are dissmissive towards your views?


Because we can back up our views, you can't.
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« Reply #563 on: January 12, 2007, 12:37:45 PM »
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Then why does it bother you when others are dissmissive towards your views?


We've posted actual studies (in addition to countless personal accounts and now even video) that have shown that this type of confrontative "therapy" is not only useless, but dangerous.  You've given us basically this...."it works, I don't know or care how.  It changed my kid.  The end justifies the means".  That I dismiss.
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« Reply #564 on: January 12, 2007, 12:40:19 PM »
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 I was referring to the pain and suffering of growing up at home naturally, not kids that were beaten or raped.  I believe pain and suffering can be a natural process of getting thru the teen years for most kids.


Sure, if they're allowed to grow up at home naturally.  You people yank that chance out from under them.

Actually, the rape was much easier to deal with than the emotional toll that Straight took from me.  The raps that were supposed to "free us" and "show us a better way of life" fucked me up but good.  Those raps, like the LGATs, are....pay attention now....inherently dangerous.

Those raps, like the LGATs, are....pay attention now....inherently dangerous.

Those raps, like the LGATs, are....pay attention now....inherently dangerous.

Those raps, like the LGATs, are....pay attention now....inherently dangerous.

Those raps, like the LGATs, are....pay attention now....inherently dangerous.



Hello ? another rdropped call?  I dont think you have been paying attention either.  I agree 100% that some schools and straight (from  what I learned) can be harmful.  I have been saying this for years!!!  I am sorry that happened to you, but it doesnt happen everywhere.

Kids grow up naturally at home, yes?  Is it painful sometimes for them in their teen years, Yes?  Are kids that are at ASR in their teen years, Yes?  Is it possible that they are growing there and it is painful, Yes?
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« Reply #565 on: January 12, 2007, 12:42:28 PM »
I can't believe the rest of you didn't pick up on this one:

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I believe pain and suffering can be a natural process of getting thru the teen years for most kids.

Just sit there for a bit and consider the ramifications of this.

Ooh, another one:

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Is it possible that they are growing there and it is painful, Yes?


Don't reply. Just let this thread die here. This sentence says more to sane parents than anything we possibly could.
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« Reply #566 on: January 12, 2007, 12:43:47 PM »
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I can't believe the rest of you didn't pick up on this one:

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I believe pain and suffering can be a natural process of getting thru the teen years for most kids.

Just sit there for a bit and consider the ramifications of this.


You don't see that much on program brochures.
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« Reply #567 on: January 12, 2007, 12:44:23 PM »
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Hello ? another rdropped call? I dont think you have been paying attention either. I agree 100% that some schools and straight (from what I learned) can be harmful. I have been saying this for years!!! I am sorry that happened to you, but it doesnt happen everywhere.

Kids grow up naturally at home, yes? Is it painful sometimes for them in their teen years, Yes? Are kids that are at ASR in their teen years, Yes? Is it possible that they are growing there and it is painful, Yes?


If you believe this then what the fuck are you babbeling about?
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« Reply #568 on: January 12, 2007, 12:46:24 PM »
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Hello ? another rdropped call?  I dont think you have been paying attention either.  I agree 100% that some schools and straight (from  what I learned) can be harmful.  I have been saying this for years!!!  I am sorry that happened to you, but it doesnt happen everywhere.


It does happen everywhere that LGAT/confrontational therapy is used.

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Kids grow up naturally at home, yes?  Is it painful sometimes for them in their teen years, Yes?  Are kids that are at ASR in their teen years, Yes?  Is it possible that they are growing there and it is painful, Yes?


Why do you think that strangers can do a better job of raising your kids than you can?  Painful is bad when it's done purposely to create some sort of revelation or change in a person.  When someone chooses to grow from a naturally occuring painful experience, it's a completely different thing.  You remove that natural process.  You remove the opportunity for them to learn and grow for themselves, which is ultimately the only thing that will help them.
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« Reply #569 on: January 12, 2007, 12:46:44 PM »
Guys, seriously: For everyone's sake, I beg of you, stop the convo here. He's already petard-hoisted more than I thought he would. There's no sense in continuing, no matter what he replies with. Let it die and this be his epitaph:

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I believe pain and suffering can be a natural process of getting thru the teen years for most kids.

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Are kids that are at ASR in their teen years, Yes? Is it possible that they are growing there and it is painful, Yes?
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