The Who

[RobertBruce]

Unless they dont fit your parameters though. Sorry Cindy, youve proven youre afraid of the truth and only want to highlight things that paint the industry in a positive light, not an honest one. There really isnt much point in trying to accomplish anything with you, because you refuse to see the facts and are a waste of time.

[TheWho]

Unless they dont fit your parameters though. Sorry Cindy, youve proven youre afraid of the truth and only want to highlight things that paint the industry in a positive light, not an honest one. There really isnt much point in trying to accomplish anything with you, because you refuse to see the facts and are a waste of time.

We knew you didnt have anything to add, Bob.  Just reaffirming for the new viewers here.

So moving on to 2004 - 2005, if you have any input we are starting to assemble that matirx and put the data together...let us know if you have anything.

[RobertBruce]

Back to a team effort huh Cindy? Well tell your imaginary friends/stuffed animals that as soon as any of you decide to start looking into this objectively and honestly then we'll talk. I doubt that day will ever come because that would require you to be realistic about the abuse going on in TBS's. Not your ridiculus claim of "less than 1% of all kids in TBS's being abused." Until you start doing so there is no way for you to determine the safety level of these kids locked up in TBS's. Not to mention you refusing to even look at the deaths going on in the other facets of the industry.  Like I said all youve got is slanted propoganda that no one gives a shit about except you and your imaginary friends. No one.

When you decide to be honest about the whole mess you let me know, if that ever happens I'll be glad to help you out.

[TheWho]

Back to a team effort huh Cindy? Well tell your imaginary friends/stuffed animals that as soon as any of you decide to start looking into this objectively and honestly then we'll talk. I doubt that day will ever come because that would require you to be realistic about the abuse going on in TBS's. Not your ridiculus claim of "less than 1% of all kids in TBS's being abused." Until you start doing so there is no way for you to determine the safety level of these kids locked up in TBS's. Not to mention you refusing to even look at the deaths going on in the other facets of the industry.  Like I said all youve got is slanted propoganda that no one gives a shit about except you and your imaginary friends. No one.

When you decide to be honest about the whole mess you let me know, if that ever happens I'll be glad to help you out.

Sorry you feel that way Bob.  If you change your mind and decide to help us out or want to add your input anytime in the future, you are always welcome.

[RobertBruce]

Oh and in the meantime please remember, Ive added and contributed more to fornits and in helping parents then you ever could.

Something these new viewers won't have any trouble determining at all.


Or did you forget about all the questions floating around that youve been too afraid to answer?

[Anonymous]

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[TheWho]

Oh and in the meantime please remember, Ive added and contributed more to fornits and in helping parents then you ever could.

Something these new viewers won't have any trouble determining at all.


Or did you forget about all the questions floating around that youve been too afraid to answer?

You keep forgetting, Friday is question day Ha,Ha,..... but you have a few yourself to answer before I begin, you thought I forgot?

[RobertBruce]

Sorry you feel that way Bob. If you change your mind and decide to help us out or want to add your input anytime in the future, you are always welcome.

Like I said, whenever the voices in your head convince you to be honest about it, you can count on me.

Until that day youre on your own and rest assured no one who's read your ramblings is going to pay attention to your propoganda because they all know you have zero credibility as youve been caught in too many lies.

Sorry Cindy that's just the way it is.

[RobertBruce]

You keep forgetting, Friday is question day Ha,Ha,..... but you have a few yourself to answer before I begin, you thought I forgot?

Really? By all means fire away. I unlike you don't require several days or weeks in your case  to talk to my employeers in order to come up with answers that meet the bullshit quota.

[TheWho]

Is it your claim that no kids died in any of the discussed teen industry venues for the period in question?

[/b]

See Below, Bob:

If any of the areas need clarification, feel free to ask me.

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It appears from a Homicide point of view as well as others the therapeutic sector is proving to be an extremely safe environment, especially TBS and Wilderness.

We will be adding the 2004 -- 2005 shell hopfully this week and retrieve data from the NCES.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You can click on the program type to get more detail if needed.[/b]
__________________________________________________________________

July 1, 2000 thru June 2001   -------There were 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides   , X Restraint, 2,959 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 1 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 1 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 2 Other, ----- 2 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, -----  0 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 1 suicides, 0 accidental, 4 Other, ----- 5 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2001 thru June 2002   -------There were 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides   , X Other, 2,868 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 2 Other, -----  2 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 3 Other, ----- 3 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2002 thru June 2003   -------There were 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides   , X Other, 2,846 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, -----  1 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total
___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2003 thru June 2004   -------There were 1,437 Homicides and 1,285 suicides   , X Other, 2,722 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, -----  0 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
RTC - Residential Treatment Center
NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles, posts and PM?s
X -- Incomplete or unavailable

[RobertBruce]

I will hold this open to see if Bob can come up with any data to add to this.

Oh I can Cindy, however since no one takes you seriously and you and your numbers are viewed as a joke due to your lack of honesty and objectivity, I see it as a waste of my time.

If you ever come around then I'll help you, but you won't so I see no reason to give you stats that you claim arent real.

By the way you mentioned some unanswered questions you had for me last time Cindy. I'm eager to see them.

[TheWho]

Bob wrote:

I see no reason to give you stats that you claim arent real.

So none exist as I had indicated earlier?just wanted to firm that up for everyone else.  So we will move to close out some of the previous years and keep open the current 2 years.

By the way you mentioned some unanswered questions you had for me last time Cindy. I'm eager to see them.

You already have them, you will have to search for them yourself, address them properly in the appropriate forum and then we can move on with your questions.

[RobertBruce]

So none exist as I had indicated earlier?just wanted to firm that up for everyone else. So we will move to close out some of the previous years and keep open the current 2 years.

No kids died? Is that your claim Cindy, I just want try and get you to be forthright about this. Is it your claim that no kids died in any of the discussed teen industry venues for the period in question?

Yes or no?

Looking forward to watching you evade.

You already have them, you will have to search for them yourself, address them properly in the appropriate forum and then we can move on with your questions.

So none exist as I had indicated earlier?just wanted to firm that up for everyone else.

[TheWho]

Bob wrote:

Is it your claim that no kids died in any of the discussed teen industry venues for the period in question?

[/b]

See Below, Bob:

If any of the areas need clarification, feel free to ask me.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It appears from a Homicide point of view as well as others the therapeutic sector is proving to be an extremely safe environment, especially TBS and Wilderness.

We will be adding the 2004 -- 2005 shell hopfully this week and retrieve data from the NCES.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You can click on the program type to get more detail if needed.[/b]
__________________________________________________________________

July 1, 2000 thru June 2001   -------There were 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides   , X Restraint, 2,959 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 1 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 1 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 2 Other, ----- 2 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, -----  0 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 1 suicides, 0 accidental, 4 Other, ----- 5 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2001 thru June 2002   -------There were 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides   , X Other, 2,868 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 2 Other, -----  2 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 3 Other, ----- 3 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2002 thru June 2003   -------There were 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides   , X Other, 2,846 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, -----  1 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Other, ----- 1 Total
___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2003 thru June 2004   -------There were 1,437 Homicides and 1,285 suicides   , X Other, 2,722 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, -----  0 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides,   0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Other, ----- 0 Total

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
RTC - Residential Treatment Center
NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles, posts and PM?s
X -- Incomplete or unavailable

[RobertBruce]

The period in question Brainiac, as in the one you claim to be currently working on. Pay closer attention or ask for help from one of your imaginary friends if need be, but stop wasting my time with your stupidity.

So to dumb it down, your claim is that for 2003-2004, no kids died in any of the teen help venues?

Yes or no?

Also are you certain about the previous year? What exactly are your sources?