Challenge for Wilderness Supporters

[TheWho]

On 2006-06-22 08:39:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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These are just the ones I located over the past few hours, there are thousands who refused to sign, do you want me to continue?

C'mon, Who, you're getting soooo sloppy with the lying...



I made a couple of calls myself.  I started with the top of your list, the AMA and went down to the end.  The AMA rep said they had no idea what the letter was or who ASTART was, indicating they hadn't been approached at all.



Some of the others you listed have their own position statements on private RTC's that warn against their use, like The Center for the Prevention of Violence, who are referenced in the Surgeon General's report warning against private RTC's and promoting their "blueprint" program of modalities that they endorse which include:



Number:  Program Title:

BP-001 Midwestern Prevention Project (MPP)

BP-002 Big Brothers Big Sisters of America (BBBS)

BP-003 Functional Family Therapy (FFT)

BP-005 Life Skills Training (LST)

BP-006 Multisystemic Therapy (MST)

BP-007 Nurse-Family Partnership (NFP)

BP-008 Multidimensional Treatment Foster Care (MTFC)

BP-009 Olweus Bullying Prevention Program (BPP)

BP-010 Promoting Alternative THinking Strategies (PATHS)

BP-011 The Incredible Years: Parent, Teacher and Child Training Series (IYS)

BP-012 Project Towards No Drug Abuse (Project TND)



You are so full of bologna and got busted out yet again for blatantly prevaricating.



Notice that one of the very organizations that you claimed "refused to sign" the letter to Congress has actually made it's position statement on the issue which includes avoidance of the programs you promote and urges the use of effective techniques like Functional Family Therapy, as indicated ion the Surgeon General's report on adolescent treatment.  It took me all of 5 minutes to catch you in another Whopper.



Who, you are one of the full-of-shittest people I've ever come across.  You also have no shame about lying through your teeth about ANY issue.  Nice job again.  Maybe you should change your login to The Fool or The Liar.


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I gave you some wiggle room and you didnt take it, DJ.  Bottom line, they didnt sign on to the letter that went to congress.  The people I called agree in concept, of course, but didnt agree with the wording so they didnt sign on.
You provided the list of who signed (not me), I provided a few who didnt, its very clear.
I agree with the letter in concept, almost everyone does !!!

Where are the dead horses when you need them?

[Troll Control]

Let me clear up a few more items...

http://www.aacap.org/publications/policy/ps16.htm#TOP

Policy statement from The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry indicating JCAHO facilities ONLY should be used.  This rules out "programs."  You can read more about their policy statement at the link.

http://www.adolpsych.org/

Their articles on "Teen Troubles" warn against restrictive treatment.

http://rtckids.fmhi.usf.edu/

This one's the kicker.  The Who claims that the The Research and Training Center for Children's Mental Health REFUSED TO SIGN the letter to Congress, but, get this, they are the ones who wrote the letter and are the organization that FORMED ASTART at the university of South Florida![/b] :nworthy:
Who, you've outdone yourself here!!!  What a LIAR you are, sir.  For SHAME!!

Do I need to go through the rest of your phony little list?  I mean, if you are going to say you CALLED The Research and Training Center for Children's Mental Health and they said the REFUSED TO SIGN when they actually FORMED ASTART, you couldn't possibly be a bigger LIAR!! :lol:  :lol:

This guy:

Robert Friedman, Ph.D.
Professor/Chair
Department of Child & Family
Studies
Louis de la Parte Florida Mental
Health Institute
University of South Florida
Tampa, FL
 
is a signator of the letter and the Director of The Research and Training Center for Children's Mental Health for chrissake, Who.  How sloppy!

I think this charade has been exposed enough, so I won't bother to post more links, but you all can feel free to follow up on your own.

Just remember:  If The Who wrote it, it's a BLATANT PREVARICATION! :lol:


_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-06-22 09:23 ]

[Troll Control]

You provided the list of who signed (not me), I provided a few who didnt, its very clear.
I agree with the letter in concept, almost everyone does !!!

Yet yesterday you were saying that the vast majority of pych professionals promoted and referred patients to the "programs"!  LOL!  Yet the policy statements of everyone you "called" (yeah, RIGHT!) tell people to strictly avoid the very programs you claim they promote and refer to...  TOO FUNNY.

Dude, seriously, your credibility is at ZERO.  Nearly every single thing you say is a BLATANT LIE!! :lol: And you get pinched for it every time.  How pathetic and sad coming from a grown man...

"The Ultimate Flip-Flopper Strikes Again!"

[TheWho]

The organizations A-Start stated signed the letter to congress:

American Psychological Association
American Association of Community Psychiatrists
American Orthopsychiatric Association
Child Welfare League of America
Federation of Families for Children?s Mental Health
National Youth Advocate Program, Inc.


The following refused to sign:

American Medical association (AMA)
http://www.ama-assn.org/


American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry

American Society for Adolescent Psychiatry

Research & Training Center on Children's Mental Health

The Research and Training Center for Children's Mental Health

Child and Adolescent Services Research Center

Center for Study and Prevention of Violence.

There are more, these are the ones I was able to locate in the time I had last night.

They didn?t sign DJ, they may believe in the concept but they didn?t sign. They may have it on their web site, but they didn?t sign.   No matter how you spin it they are not on the list of signatures, period, why?  Some didn?t believe in the wording, others were not invited to participate in its conception.

[Anonymous]

Who, what is it you do that you have all the time and resources to research all of this?  You've been at it for two days, all day.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-06-22 10:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Who, what is it you do that you have all the time and resources to research all of this?  You've been at it for two days, all day."

:wstupid:  :wstupid:

Well?

[Troll Control]

This all started with your statement that the "vast majority" of mental health professionals promote and refer to programs.

I have proven this to be a lie and in fact have shown that the vast majority of providers eschew programs.  I provided links to hundreds of professionals and many organizations with thousands of members whose position statements strongly recommend that programs not be used to treat adolescents.

I don't spin.  I don't lie.  I provide evidence for everything I say.

You, on the other hand, lie about everything (and get outed for it every time), make up figures and statistics without a shred of evidence other than your opinion, blatantly lie about documentation and change the subject as frequently as possible or demand people "prove" negatives.

Who, you have shown time and again you nothing about the subject and are incapable or unwilling to enlighten yourself.  That's the bottom line.

You are an embarrassment to yourself and to the cause you support as well as thinking people everywhere.  Only you don't see this.  Everyone else does.  I'm not sure how you live with yourself every day because your entire life is one big phony story after another, but that's your problem.

[TheWho]

On 2006-06-22 10:22:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"This all started with your statement that the "vast majority" of mental health professionals promote and refer to programs.



I have proven this to be a lie and in fact have shown that the vast majority of providers eschew programs.  I provided links to hundreds of professionals and many organizations with thousands of members whose position statements strongly recommend that programs not be used to treat adolescents.



I don't spin.  I don't lie.  I provide evidence for everything I say.



You, on the other hand, lie about everything (and get outed for it every time), make up figures and statistics without a shred of evidence other than your opinion, blatantly lie about documentation and change the subject as frequently as possible or demand people "prove" negatives.



Who, you have shown time and again you nothing about the subject and are incapable or unwilling to enlighten yourself.  That's the bottom line.



You are an embarrassment to yourself and to the cause you support as well as thinking people everywhere.  Only you don't see this.  Everyone else does.  I'm not sure how you live with yourself every day because your entire life is one big phony story after another, but that's your problem.
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Sorry you see it that way and feel that way, DJ.  Facts are facts, no matter how you spin it they still come back to haunt you.
I could stoop to name calling, its not my style, I choose to let the facts speak for themselves.

[Fire Swamp]

Seeing as you're a WHORE I daresay you've done your share of 'stooping' already! :rofl:  :lol:

[Anonymous]

On 2006-06-22 10:38:00, TheWho wrote:

I choose to let the facts speak for themselves.  "

Let's get back to the facts of your employment.

[Fire Swamp]

Yes, do tell us Who(re) just whose cock you are sucking!!  :nworthy:

[Troll Control]

Facts are facts, no matter how you spin it they still come back to haunt you.

Sadly, you've had an object lesson in this concept for the past two days.  I can see it has made you sore.  Just "stop the insanity," Who.  

The lies, the spin, the deflection - it's all come back to bite you and you look horrible because of it.  People can now use your inability to tell the truth about anything to discount everything you've ever said because there will always be reasonable suspicion that you are lying.

It's a shame you've invested so much time and energy in this site only to be completely disgraced and discredited by your own lies.  I almost feel sorry for you because you are just so pathetic, but not quite.

[Fire Swamp]

Well said, my good man!   :tup:

Now if he could just stop spreading his bloody lies (as well as his bloody legs) around here..  :lol:

[Troll Control]

On 2006-06-22 09:12:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"Let me clear up a few more items...



http://www.aacap.org/publications/policy/ps16.htm#TOP



Policy statement from The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry indicating JCAHO facilities ONLY should be used.  This rules out "programs."  You can read more about their policy statement at the link.



http://www.adolpsych.org/



Their articles on "Teen Troubles" warn against restrictive treatment.



http://rtckids.fmhi.usf.edu/



This one's the kicker.  The Who claims that the The Research and Training Center for Children's Mental Health REFUSED TO SIGN the letter to Congress, but, get this, they are the ones who wrote the letter and are the organization that FORMED ASTART at the university of South Florida![/b] :nworthy:

Who, you've outdone yourself here!!!  What a LIAR you are, sir.  For SHAME!!



Do I need to go through the rest of your phony little list?  I mean, if you are going to say you CALLED The Research and Training Center for Children's Mental Health and they said the REFUSED TO SIGN when they actually FORMED ASTART, you couldn't possibly be a bigger LIAR!! :lol:  :lol:



This guy:



Robert Friedman, Ph.D.

Professor/Chair

Department of Child & Family

Studies

Louis de la Parte Florida Mental

Health Institute

University of South Florida

Tampa, FL

 

is a signator of the letter and the Director of The Research and Training Center for Children's Mental Health for chrissake, Who.  How sloppy!



I think this charade has been exposed enough, so I won't bother to post more links, but you all can feel free to follow up on your own.



Just remember:  If The Who wrote it, it's a BLATANT PREVARICATION! :lol:





_________________

"Compassion is the basis of morality."



-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-06-22 09:23 ]"

this says everything I want you to know about the who.  he just can't help himself from the lying.  maybe he should get sent to a program where he can learn a little about being honest with himself and others?

[TheWho]

On 2006-06-22 10:50:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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Facts are facts, no matter how you spin it they still come back to haunt you.

Sadly, you've had an object lesson in this concept for the past two days.  I can see it has made you sore.  Just "stop the insanity," Who.  



The lies, the spin, the deflection - it's all come back to bite you and you look horrible because of it.  People can now use your inability to tell the truth about anything to discount everything you've ever said because there will always be reasonable suspicion that you are lying.



It's a shame you've invested so much time and energy in this site only to be completely disgraced and discredited by your own lies.  I almost feel sorry for you because you are just so pathetic, but not quite.
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Wow, you really hate being proved wrong.  I have seen you flip out over on the HLA thread, but never like this.
Now, Take a deep breath.  Let it out......... and move on ........