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« Reply #75 on: June 23, 2006, 03:50:00 PM »
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TW got owned, plain and simple


Yeah, I own him currently, but I'm thinking of selling him.  Of course, I'd have to housebreak him first.  Nobody wants an un-housebroken pet program monkey these days...
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« Reply #76 on: June 23, 2006, 04:04:00 PM »
form what i can see there is no owning of anyone on this forum.  you all hold facts tightly to your chests and do not let go of anything.  there is no such thing as an open mind here.  DJ, you worked at HLA so i believe you know what you are saying there since you are probably in touch with staff there but all you know of ASR is what you think happened because of your time spent with Rudy Bentz while you worked with him.  i think the problem is that both sides are wrong and the truth lies in the middle.   the programmies hold their stuff to be gold while the anti-program do the same....does anyone question that the information that is put out here, the stuff from inidividuals (at least) does come from a biased source.  so i think people here need to stop being right and actually read what others are saying and seek understanding;.  Andrea, who actually started this thread was doing that until everyone else stepped in and ruined it.
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« Reply #77 on: June 23, 2006, 04:30:00 PM »
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"form what i can see there is no owning of anyone on this forum.  you all hold facts tightly to your chests and do not let go of anything.  there is no such thing as an open mind here.  DJ, you worked at HLA so i believe you know what you are saying there since you are probably in touch with staff there but all you know of ASR is what you think happened because of your time spent with Rudy Bentz while you worked with him.  i think the problem is that both sides are wrong and the truth lies in the middle.   the programmies hold their stuff to be gold while the anti-program do the same....does anyone question that the information that is put out here, the stuff from inidividuals (at least) does come from a biased source.  so i think people here need to stop being right and actually read what others are saying and seek understanding;.  Andrea, who actually started this thread was doing that until everyone else stepped in and ruined it."


Good Point, you seem to have a touch for facilitating/mediating.  There is a sharp divide here.  Hope this gets us back on track.
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« Reply #78 on: June 23, 2006, 05:04:00 PM »
US?????
There is no "US" when it comes to your postings, WHO.
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« Reply #79 on: June 23, 2006, 05:46:00 PM »
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you all hold facts tightly to your chests and do not let go of anything. there is no such thing as an open mind here.


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Thats because the facts are the fucking facts and you cant waffle around them in the real world like you can in a program's bubble-world or in some LGAT.

You can't whine about a lack of an "open mind" when it pertains to opening your mind to something thats false, or incorrect, or inherantly abusive.

However, such appeals (especially with an emotional element) are the hallmark of whats essentially brainwashing.

Anyway, Im sick of reiterating this shit. You're all beneath me and anyone else who can think straight and wont swallow the bullshit you feed them. Im not your kid and you have no power over me, and Im going to exercise my power of choice to ignore you and your nonsense.

DJ, Id strongly suggest you do the same. Ignore him and hell go away.
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« Reply #80 on: June 23, 2006, 06:43:00 PM »
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you all hold facts tightly to your chests and do not let go of anything. there is no such thing as an open mind here.



 :roll:



Thats because the facts are the fucking facts and you cant waffle around them in the real world like you can in a program's bubble-world or in some LGAT.



You can't whine about a lack of an "open mind" when it pertains to opening your mind to something thats false, or incorrect, or inherantly abusive.



However, such appeals (especially with an emotional element) are the hallmark of whats essentially brainwashing.



Anyway, Im sick of reiterating this shit. You're all beneath me and anyone else who can think straight and wont swallow the bullshit you feed them. Im not your kid and you have no power over me, and Im going to exercise my power of choice to ignore you and your nonsense.



DJ, Id strongly suggest you do the same. Ignore him and hell go away. "


The problem I see with your statement, Niles, is we are discussing the facts here.  You, on the other hand, havent provided anything for us to agree with or disagree with.
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« Reply #81 on: June 23, 2006, 08:54:00 PM »
My experience in disputes is that the truth rarely lies as close to the middle as the "somewhere in the middle" people claim it does.

In a dispute, there are three possibilities.  Both sides are telling the truth and it's a misunderstanding, both sides are liars, or one side is telling the truth as best they can and the other side is flat lying and obscuring the truth as best they can.

People who habitually lie in disputes have a lot of life experiences where there's their story, and the other guy's story, and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

People who are habituatlly truthful but incredibly naive assume all the disputes they get into involve people who are also doing their best to be truthful.  There aren't many people out there in the world who are this naive.

Most people who are habitually truthful have run into enough damned liars to know quite well that when there is a dispute, it is frequently absolutely not a case of the truth being somewhere in the middle.

My experience is that it is usually a good idea, when I meet someone who quotes the platitude of the truth being somewhere in the middle, to take that person's own stories with a very large grain of salt.

I wonder whether the "somewhere in the middle" people we're seeing in this thread are hopelessly naive, or habitual liars?

Julie
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« Reply #82 on: June 23, 2006, 09:50:00 PM »
Julie, you have forgotten the eternal quagmire of the hopelessly self-deluded.
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« Reply #83 on: June 23, 2006, 11:29:00 PM »
ASR was NEVER licensed and folks their is NO MA Boarding School Association that I know of.  ASR IS NOT AND SHOULD BE LICENSED, WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG THAT THE THREAD HAS TO GO ON AND ON AND ON.  IF THEY WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING OR INTENDING ON DOING IT THEY WOULD LICENSE.  NO BIG DEAL RIGHT?  DESISTO DIDN'T WANT TO LICENSE LOST IN COURT - COULDN'T HANDLE BASIC BASIC REGULATIONS, STANDARD, AND OVERSIGHT PACKED UP = LEFT AND IS RUNNING IN FLA WHERE LITTLE IF ANY REGS OR OVERSIGHT IS IN PLACE.  SO DO TELL ME EXPECT LOCATION AND PEOPLE, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ASR AND DESISTO - I THINK NOT MUCH.   :flame:
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« Reply #84 on: June 23, 2006, 11:45:00 PM »
YAWN.......
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« Reply #85 on: June 23, 2006, 11:59:00 PM »
Andrea,
What do you know about the battle over licensing  between lawyers for the state and ASR, as stated in the Valley Advocate article I posted.
What happened? Obviously, ASR was not required to license because they remain unlicensed. Do you know anyone at OCCS that might give an explanation for how that decision was made?

I'm glad you're finally putting some attention in ASRs direction.

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« Reply #86 on: June 24, 2006, 01:21:00 AM »
BTW, whadda ya make of this Mar 05 ad from struggling teens.

March 05- Employment Ad at StrugglingTeens
SCHOOL NURSE- Provide medical and programmatic/psychological nursing care to students. Must have current state RN license and knowledge of psychotropic medications. MAB training and experience working with SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL patients is preferred.

RESIDENTIAL MENTORS- Supervise and interact with individual or grouped students to improve caring, socialization, and other life skills. Must have high school diploma or GED and at least of one year of experience in youth corrections, residential treatment, or other related environment. College level courses in Social Sciences preferred.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/employme ... river.html

Didn't the ASR spokesperson say they were taking milder kids. Maybe he meant "sedated" kids. What's MAB training?

Hey, and check out those "Mentors". Parents paying $5000 a month for college prep and their kid hanging out with someone with a GED and
a year in youth corrections.
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« Reply #87 on: June 24, 2006, 01:23:00 AM »
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BTW, whadda ya make of this Mar 05 ad from struggling teens.



March 05- Employment Ad at StrugglingTeens

SCHOOL NURSE- Provide medical and programmatic/psychological nursing care to students. Must have current state RN license and knowledge of psychotropic medications. MAB training and experience working with SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL patients is preferred.



RESIDENTIAL MENTORS- Supervise and interact with individual or grouped students to improve caring, socialization, and other life skills. Must have high school diploma or GED and at least of one year of experience in youth corrections, residential treatment, or other related environment. College level courses in Social Sciences preferred.

http://www.strugglingteens.com/employme ... river.html



Didn't the ASR spokesperson say they were taking milder kids. Maybe he meant "sedated" kids. What's MAB training?



Hey, and check out those "Mentors". Parents paying $5000 a month for college prep and their kid hanging out with someone with a GED and

a year in youth corrections. "



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« Reply #88 on: June 24, 2006, 07:56:00 AM »
I had a new hire paperwork come across my desk, one time, looking for a person with demolition experience, my first response was ?What are we trying to blow up?.  It turned out we needed him for his experience in handling, marking and procuring hazardous and dangerous substances.
So I suspect, since ASR doesn t have Severely mentally ill kids, they are looking for some of the other training the person may bring with her, like handling/dispensing med, maybe there is a different (more safe) process for handling meds for this group of kids that may benefit the kids at ASR.  

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Didn't the ASR spokesperson say they were taking milder kids. Maybe he meant "sedated" kids. What's MAB training?

No, the way I read it, is less violent.  When my daughter attended they were no longer taking kids who where very violent, using knives etc on others.  It seems like by stating they are taking softer kids they mean they have further extended this policy to include even less violent kids, acting out physically etc.

I am curious too on what MAB training is.  Maybe the ASR person can help with that.


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« Reply #89 on: June 24, 2006, 08:09:00 AM »
MAB - Managing Aggressive Behavior ......Hmmmmm
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