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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2006, 08:17:00 AM »
Gee-why didn't the parents think of that great idea?  News flash- that and other brilliant theories didn't work.
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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2006, 09:16:00 AM »
They don't know how or what to do so they go offering their open purse to the first scumbag who will tell them what they want to hear. They are marks, plain and simple.
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« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2006, 09:31:00 AM »
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On 2006-05-27 22:02:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

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On 2006-05-27 07:14:00, Anonymous wrote:


"helpful, considered responses are so nice.





of course, the "panel" here is essentially (few exceptions) anti any program.





IF a tbs is in order, know that some schools require wilderness first.  BUT sometimes it is not a good idea - depends on the kid"




Um, "the panel" here is the way it is for a reason:
  • Theres zero proof any program works
  • Theres plenty that piecewise debunks the entire program bit by bit
  • They cost way too much
  • There is no actual evaulation of the children to see if they have anything wrong or need any therapy - but even if they DID, programs dont provide that therapy.



Basically, the program is for the parent, not the kid, and nobody has demonstrated otherwise.



I like the arguement about calling us 'anti program' as if that has anything to do with the fact that they dont work..."


ummmm...
some former program participants believe it saved their life.  something else might have done so too, and it isn't an all or nothing proposition, but for sure it needn't hurt and often enough does boost self esteem - and thus lowers chances of certain stupid behaviors -- which doubtless many readers here think harmless or good.

ummm ...
we've all been down the proof crap way too many times to think anything offered here one way or the other will matter

umm ...
"they" usually do cost way too much - though it is interesting that you obviously think that a lower cost would be OK or better?  so, what would be a fair cost???

UM ...
At most good programs there is an actual evaluation of the children, by a licensed practitioner, and the programs do provide needed therapy.
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« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2006, 01:26:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-27 13:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Wilderness programs DO vary in quality. Second Nature is excellent- both Utah and Georgia. There are many other excellent programs. Do some research.

I think on the whole, wilderness programs are better in quality and therapeutic benefit than the therapeutic schools. However, the programs are expensive and are not meant to be a long term placement."

Right from Second Nature's website, here are the qualifications needed to be an instructor:
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What qualifications do I need?
Second Nature looks for individuals with great people skills, ability to work in a team, and work under stressful situations if they arise. Field Instructors have diverse backgrounds and education.  To work for Second Nature Wilderness Program you must be at least 19 years of age and have a high school diploma or equivalent. I want you to also be certified in Basic First Aid and CPR or greater (WFR, EMT).
Second Nature seeks people who have wilderness experience. It is preferable that you have fairly extensive backpacking experience. This experience can be either be professional or personal. You will be backpacking and hiking your entire shift anywhere from 2 to 8 miles a day with a backpack. Second Nature does not use cabins or have a ?base camp?; you will be moving campsites almost everyday.
Experience with youth, counseling, teaching, previous wilderness experience, or participation in similar activities will certainly improve your resume. Second Nature also offers in-house training from which you will be able to learn communication skills, crisis interventions, and many more tools that you will use working with teens. Second Nature will also ask that you make a commitment of working in the field for at least six to eight months.

19 years old and an high school diploma is going to fix your kid.

Here's the training for the above 19 year old:

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What is the training?
The training is a seven- day period spent in the field, backpacking and learning with experienced trainers and other trainees. The training may be both emotionally and physically challenging. You will be hiking anywhere from 2 to 10 miles a day over medium to rugged terrain with a backpack the entire week. Second Nature trainers will ask you to be open, emotionally vulnerable, and as uncomfortable as you are willing to be. You will also have the chance to learn about the program experientially. You will participate in role modeling, experiencing the program as both the student and Field Instructor.
Your trainers will teach therapeutic interventions during the week. This includes communication and problem-solving skills, anger management techniques and how to appropriately confront students? issues. You will learn to use ?I Feel Statements? to express feelings and the concepts behind it to be able to teach it to the students.
The training is not a competition with the other trainees but a time for all to work as a team and interact in a healthy manner. The training is viewed as an interview process where you will be observed within the structure of the program. It is a time for you as a trainee to ?interview? the program as well. Participating in the training does not guarantee you a job, however, if you have been selected to participate in the training you have already met some of the requirements and Second Nature has high hopes for you to be hired; at the end of Training, you will know your employment status.


You backpack for 7 days and learn to make "I feel Statements." Wonderful.

Judge for yourself if this is professional help or just captive babysitting.

http://www.snwp.com/Subsubpages.asp?id=59
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« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2006, 03:58:00 PM »
The field staff at Second Nature are incredible. Most have college degrees and are capable and caring. They are NOT the therapists. They are the day to day link between the kids and the therapists and they speak with the therapists every day for instruction. The therapists are in the field with the kids two days a week. Only competent field staff are hired by Second Nature, so give up on this argument. You won't find anyone who can criticize this program who has actually been to it.
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« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2006, 04:15:00 PM »
Whoops --- forgot to sign in.
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« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2006, 04:30:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-28 13:15:00, KarenInDallas wrote:

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« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2006, 05:13:00 PM »
Get fucked. I am not Karen. Oh, wait- anyone who knows anything about a program MUST be Karen. Otherwise, you might have to actually respond with something other than your little games.  Have your all-knowing gods check the IP address. Not Karen. Not in. NOt Dallas. Not female.
Try again, asshole.
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« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2006, 05:21:00 PM »
Make sure it's a licensed and regualted facility first and following these guidlines.

http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... &Itemid=35
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« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2006, 05:29:00 PM »
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Get fucked.



I do, plenty, thank you very much.
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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2006, 11:19:00 PM »
Fuck Vipers. No control feel, kinda porky, too expensive.

Get a C6 corvette or something, maybe a GTO if he wants a cushier car, if you want performance.

Or, as one of hte WWASPS big wigs was quick to point out, why not a new G35?
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2006, 11:35:00 PM »
What kind of pussy have you been getting? I gave my gf some cunnilingus for a while last night and made her cum, perhaps for the first time ever! It was great! Then I fucked hell out of her 'til I was sweating my balls off! WhAT a workout!! :tup:
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2006, 09:59:00 AM »
Good lord mate... you ate the hairy beav? Whilst taking a trip down furry muff ave did you ponder a spin by nipple pinch lane with a quick detour up Starfish Boulevard?
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2006, 02:16:00 PM »
To the parent who started this posting, you are asking your question on the wrong website.  I want you to go to a parent website, Struggling Teens. There you will find the answers you need, not here where you can get advice about fucking.
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2006, 02:34:00 PM »
If the parent had any sense at all, he/she/it is already gone.

And not to Struggling Tools, either.
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