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« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2006, 05:21:00 PM »
To the people who say that results are everything, I would say, yeah-- but there are *no* studies that show that WWASP gets results.  Satisfaction surveys are not studies.

And anecdotes are not evidence-- unless you do a controlled trial which compares people who are sent to WWASP v. people who are left alone or given an alternative form of treatment, you cannot know that something works.

Lots of cancer treatments look like they work if you just go by anecdotes-- but once you do a controlled trial, they fail miserably.

it doesn't matter what you believe about your own experience-- if you don't have an identical twin who wasn't treated (and even then, that sample size is too small), you can't tell what worked.  most likely, you just grew up.

and, the idea that "troubled teens" are likely to die without WWASP is demonstrably false.  There are roughly 40 million teenagers in America-- the surgeon general estimates that about 4 million of them are 'troubled'-- ie, serious drug problem or behavior problems or mental illness.

Fewer than 20,000 teens die every year.  Even if all of those deaths were from risky behavior (which they aren't-- some are from cancer and unavoidable, non-alcohol or drug-related car accidents) and even if the deaths only occurred amongst the "at risk' 4 million, that's still a risk per year of death of only 4 in 1000 per year.

And even heroin addicts who shoot up every day only have a single digit per year (usually 1-4%) death risk-- so unless you were shooting up, your risky behavior was probably far less risky than you think.  Sure, not a good idea to ride with drunk drivers and hang out with meth addicts-- but unless you were hanging out in inner city neighborhoods with violent drug dealers (not slacker deadheads selling pot or even coke or meth to suburban kids), your actual risk of death was exaggerated by the program and by your parents.

my guess is the number of truly poor kids who were at genuine risk who were sent to WWASP can be counted on one finger or less.

if you want to talk about results, you have to produce real data:  controlled clinical trials (plural) published in peer reviewed journals.  nothing else meets modern standards of evidence.
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« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2006, 11:02:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-21 16:29:00, proudgrad wrote:

"Hey boys, it's me again the so called "troll".  To the moron who critized me saying that my use of who's rather than whose somehow suggest that I am lieing about my GPA, I'm not even going to bother to argue that, all I will say is that your ignorance is frightening.  


"lieing" LOL! No way in hell you're going to an Ivy League school.  You are an idiot and a troll.
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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2006, 12:04:00 AM »
I'd be glad to send you my acceptance letter, as well as my transcript, but i highly don't that it would be worth my time being that you are all the scum of the earth
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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2006, 12:13:00 AM »
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"I'd be glad to send you my acceptance letter, as well as my transcript, but i highly don't that it would be worth my time being that you are all the scum of the earth"


"I highly DON'T that it would be worth my time"

You're too easy, dumb ass.  Troll.
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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2006, 12:34:00 PM »
I believe it depends on how much the parents put into it. The kids that have the parents that send their kids there to get them off their back and out of their lives have a less chance. Not to mention the kids that are left there way way to long. J M O
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« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2006, 02:31:00 PM »
so to those who critize my spelling, is that all you've got, sounds to me like you're saying, "well you're right, so all we can do is attack you spelling." As far as me being a troll, I guess in some sense of the word you are correct, the only reason I even come on hear is to get you guys all riled up, it's so easy.  It's somewhat amusing to read your ignorant pathetic responses.  Face it you aren't making any difference, and you most likely never will!
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« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2006, 04:20:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-23 11:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"so to those who critize my spelling, is that all you've got, sounds to me like you're saying, "well you're right, so all we can do is attack you spelling." As far as me being a troll, I guess in some sense of the word you are correct, the only reason I even come on hear is to get you guys all riled up, it's so easy.  It's somewhat amusing to read your ignorant pathetic responses.  Face it you aren't making any difference, and you most likely never will!"


Come on guys. Whose pulling the joke? Own up now. This person is such an embarrassment to English composition and grammar that this has to be a deliberate proccess of dumbing down. Her writing is almost like a language never heard on earth. Apparantly she doesn't have the reasoning ability of spinach. Why advertise your product with a person who had such a poor outcome?
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« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2006, 04:46:00 PM »
Frankly how we can criticise the anonymous poster's behaviour while she is being ripped apart for some pretty minor issues is laughable. We win this one when we make it a debate purely on the issues. It's demeans us and the issues we represent when we descend into playground name calling.

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« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2006, 08:54:00 PM »
To argue the point, the poster claims that complaints and testimonials don't make a difference.  Seven abusive WWASP programs have been closed due to numerous complaints per facility that span over more than a decade.  We do make a difference.
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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2006, 11:06:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-23 13:46:00, MightyAardvark wrote:

"Frankly how we can criticise the anonymous poster's behaviour while she is being ripped apart for some pretty minor issues is laughable. We win this one when we make it a debate purely on the issues. It's demeans us and the issues we represent when we descend into playground name calling.

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This person destroyed her credability by claiming to be something she clearly was not. She held herself out as an example of  success. And although spelling mistakes are made by every person on this board, her grammatical construction is quite fair to attack because it is evidence that this person would have trouble passing freshman English Comp. Therefor she is an example of person who promotes two products rife with fraud and deceit, both the WWASPS and herself. She set herself up for these attacks and they are quite fair because she claims to a paragon virtue, but in actuality is everything a parent should not want their kids to be, a phony, ignorant, a shill for amorality, and without emphathy or compassion for those who cannot speak and carry the wounds of their imprisonment forever.
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« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2006, 01:29:00 PM »
you know, having spoke to this individual at some length I'm now finding myself regretting having stuck my neck on on his behalf.
If he is in fact a product of Spring Creek Lodge he's a pretty damn good warning about  what happens to kids there.

The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.
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« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2006, 03:38:00 PM »
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the only reason I even come on hear is to get you guys all riled up, it's so easy.


BEFORE YOU RESPOND READ THIS QUOTE CAREFULLY

This troll only comes hear (sic) to get attention. It's a sad and pathetic fact individuals cannot receive the attention they need in real life, and so they seek it online. I don't understand it, but it is a fact of life in these forums. Do not respond to someone if you think they are just trying to rile you up. They WANT you to respond all angry, that is what they are going after.

Besides that, this person is lying. Like BadPuppy said, they discredit themselves in the first paragraph. They cannot spell the simplest of words. It's extremely pathetic.
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