ASR

[Anonymous]

Perhaps a better way of putting that would have been to say,

"ASR isnt going to make changes unless we force them to."

[Deborah]

At the time my daughter stated there she was not attending school at all and there were more important issues then looking at academic credentials (for us).  One of the main things was ASR got her interested in school again and back into  routine that was healthy.  After she returned home she graduated with her class on time.
So for me, yes certified teachers would be great, but it wasn’t the top of the list for us.

So, $6000/month for a tutor and a Nanny who set limits in an isolated bubble.
That may be acceptable for you, but other parents should know what they are buying and that the program is not monitored by any ouside entity. Parents make the assumption that these programs are licensed as treatment facilities. If they aren't, that should be disclosed.

In addition to a license to operate a residential facility, ASR also needs a license to provide substance abuse counseling. That's a separate license, not covered in the regs for residential programs.

[TheWho]

At the time my daughter stated there she was not attending school at all and there were more important issues then looking at academic credentials (for us).  One of the main things was ASR got her interested in school again and back into  routine that was healthy.  After she returned home she graduated with her class on time.
So for me, yes certified teachers would be great, but it wasn’t the top of the list for us.

So, $6000/month for a tutor and a Nanny who set limits in an isolated bubble.
That may be acceptable for you, but other parents should know what they are buying and that the program is not monitored by any ouside entity. Parents make the assumption that these programs are licensed as treatment facilities. If they aren't, that should be disclosed.
In addition to a license to operate a residential facility, ASR also needs a license to provide substance abuse counseling. That's a separate license, not covered in the regs for residential programs.

I don’t think parents make any assumption they are affiliated with the state or under their domain, not at $6,000 a month.  For that amount of money I would expect them to be totally independent and not subjected to state authority at all.  If that were the case I would just ask the state to pay for my child to go there
Why should I pay if it is a state school?  Once the state gets their grips on the place it wont be worth $3,000 and I would expect the state to pick up half of that because I am a tax payer.

Have you ever been inside a state run facility?  Then campare that to a private institution that takes no insurance payments and is totally out of pocket....its a big difference and this is what I paid for, not a state run boot camp or RTC...big difference and the parents who have researched these places know it, that is why they fork over the money for their kids to attend a better place, higher success rates, follow-up programs, counseling etc.

[Troll Control]

Yeah, you paid $6000 a month for a program that can't meet the minumum standards required by the state.  This isn't something to be proud of or brag about.  This makes you, in layman's terms, a "sucker".

You paid all that money for a facility that has far less qualified (and completely unlicensed) staff than is required at the worst of worst state schools.  

How you try turn that into a positive is beyond reason and shows the impairment in your logic and reasoning.

[RobertBruce]

I don’t think parents make any assumption they are affiliated with the state or under their domain, not at $6,000 a month. For that amount of money I would expect them to be totally independent and not subjected to state authority at all. If that were the case I would just ask the state to pay for my child to go there
Why should I pay if it is a state school? Once the state gets their grips on the place it wont be worth $3,000 and I would expect the state to pick up half of that because I am a tax payer.

Have you ever been inside a state run facility? Then campare that to a private institution that takes no insurance payments and is totally out of pocket....its a big difference and this is what I paid for, not a state run boot camp or RTC...big difference and the parents who have researched these places know it, that is why they fork over the money for their kids to attend a better place, higher success rates, follow-up programs, counseling etc.

What gives the idea that being regulated by the state is the same thing as being run by the state?

Youre simply trying to use scare tactics that have no basis in reality. Any school where tuition is 6000 a month should be abiding by all state regulations and have the highest standards. Not trying to get away with things at every turn.

I assume thanks to a donation from your daddy you attended some college or another, did it amount to $6000.00 a month? Factor in inflation, and see what it comes to. Still not $6000.00 a month? Hmmm what's an expensive college these days? How about Harvard? Including room&board, personal expenses and even a travel estimate a school year at Harvard would cost you around $50,000.  

The same amount of time at ASR (minus all incidentals) would run about $60,000.

Harvard is a private institution is it not? Yet they appear to be operating within the law. They dont avoid state oversight.

Thier diplomas count for something.

What's the difference Cindy?

[TheWho]

Yeah, you paid $6000 a month for a program that can't meet the minumum standards required by the state.  This isn't something to be proud of or brag about.  This makes you, in layman's terms, a "sucker".

You paid all that money for a facility that has far less qualified (and completely unlicensed) staff than is required at the worst of worst state schools.  

How you try turn that into a positive is beyond reason and shows the impairment in your logic and reasoning.

I think that you are missing the point.  I didn’t pay for "state level" oversight.  We could have received that at a variety of state run facilities.  But the programs don’t have a very good reputation.  ASR was a good fit for us and my daughter did very well, got back into her studies, resolved her issues and got back on track...that’s what we paid for and that is what was delivered.
It was cheap in comparison to what we received.

[Anonymous]

and you refuse to accept that you paid for an unlicensed program run by unlicensed staff members. And you apparently paid more for it then people pay for a year at Harvard.

[TheWho]

and you refuse to accept that you paid for an unlicensed program run by unlicensed staff members. And you apparently paid more for it then people pay for a year at Harvard.

whether it was free or cost a million dollars its hard to put a price on your own child, most of us would do anything to help them and protect them.  

If you feel the kids would be better served by having the government (Bush and friends) oversee the day to day operations and dictate what food to serve change the name of the dinning area to "Mess Hall", have them all dress alike in fatigues and chant.  If you feel this is therapeutic for one of your kids, great, you don’t have to send them to ASR.  That’s what is great about this country, we have choices.  If we see a need to break away from public schools and seek a private institution that is not state run or tainted, we can do that for $6,000 a month.

[Troll Control]

and you refuse to accept that you paid for an unlicensed program run by unlicensed staff members. And you apparently paid more for it then people pay for a year at Harvard.

whether it was free or cost a million dollars its hard to put a price on your own child, most of us would do anything to help them and protect them.  

If you feel the kids would be better served by having the government (Bush and friends) oversee the day to day operations and dictate what food to serve change the name of the dinning area to "Mess Hall", have them all dress alike in fatigues and chant.  If you feel this is therapeutic for one of your kids, great, you don’t have to send them to ASR.  That’s what is great about this country, we have choices.  If we see a need to break away from public schools and seek a private institution that is not state run or tainted, we can do that for $6,000 a month.

Nobody said anything like that.  Just more hyperbole on your part to distract from the fact that state run schools retain qualified teachers and ASR doesn't.  In fact, ASR doesn't employ a single teacher with the credentials to work in the worst of the worst public schools in Mass.  That's very disturbing...

[Troll Control]

TheWho said:

"I think that you are missing the point. I didn’t pay for "state level" oversight. We could have received that at a variety of state run facilities."

Right, I understand.  You paid for less than state level services, and a premium price for it at that!  and you're correct, you could have gotten real services from qualified licensed people, but you opted for less - sham services from unqualified people instead.

Got it.  We're very clear on that already.

Your fingers must be bleeding by now!  Get some coffee, ice your fingers and get ready for your upcoming all-nighter of saying the same things over and over.  You're going to need your strength for frantically and compulsively responding to no less than three threads simultaneously now.  What does your wife say about your little habit - or has she left you already?

[TheWho]

and you refuse to accept that you paid for an unlicensed program run by unlicensed staff members. And you apparently paid more for it then people pay for a year at Harvard.

whether it was free or cost a million dollars its hard to put a price on your own child, most of us would do anything to help them and protect them.  

If you feel the kids would be better served by having the government (Bush and friends) oversee the day to day operations and dictate what food to serve change the name of the dinning area to "Mess Hall", have them all dress alike in fatigues and chant.  If you feel this is therapeutic for one of your kids, great, you don’t have to send them to ASR.  That’s what is great about this country, we have choices.  If we see a need to break away from public schools and seek a private institution that is not state run or tainted, we can do that for $6,000 a month.

Nobody said anything like that.  Just more hyperbole on your part to distract from the fact that state run schools retain qualified teachers and ASR doesn't.  In fact, ASR doesn't employ a single teacher with the credentials to work in the worst of the worst public schools in Mass.  That's very disturbing...

Its disturbing because you know it is the truth.  Getting the government involved never improves anything.  Can the public school system claim 100% of the kids move on the college they choose?  Once a teacher attains tenure they can be as ineffective as they please and not get fired, but the are fully licensed Ha,Ha,Ha,...is this what you want for your kids?

[Troll Control]

No, I want ineffective and unlicensed teachers like at ASR!  Any way I can pay an exorbitant amount of money for it?  I want that, too!  Oh yeah, can you throw in some isolation, forced therapy by unlicensed staff and physical punishment?  Included in the package you say?  Great!

[TheWho]

What does your wife say about your little habit - or has she left you already?

My wife almost cracked a rib when she saw that…… my nephew talked me into this home theater system and he installed it for me and we ended up getting two flat screens so we could dedicate one for the television (downstairs) and use the other for the monitor.  Well this thing is huge , people out in the pool area (which is a good 30 feet away) can read what I am writing if the curtains are not pulled all the way.  Good thing I am not into porn or the helicopters would crash trying to get a glimpse as they land next door (I have an annoying idiot neighbor who is very rich).  Anyway my wife was sitting here asking what I am doing and why I am spending so much time on typing and suggested I hire someone to do what ever it is I need to do here…..Oh,No, I already hired someone to play golf for me!!!  When all of a sudden your post came up!!
So no she hasn’t left me yet, Ha,Ha,Ha,…. But it was good timing when that was posted.

Sorry , a little off subject, but worth mentioning

[Troll Control]

Oh, so just your daughter left you so far.  

Funny that your wife wanted you to hire someone type what you're typing on Fornits (would be a ton of overtime and substantial doubletime!)...Strangely echoes when you two decided to pay someone else to do your parenting...Hmmmm...  Makes sense now.

[Troll Control]

I have an annoying idiot neighbor...

So does your neighbor.  Concidence?  I think not...      :wink:

Anyway, this is precisely the vision I had of you that you just confirmed.  Funny I had you pegged exactly this way, too..  

People out at the pool, having fun, doing things together while you sit huddled in front of the computer, curtains drawn, responding compulsively to a message board populted largely by abused children, typing furiously until your fingers bleed while your stuck-up, materialistic bitch of a wife nags "Can't you pay someone for that?"

Dang.  That's priceless.  Priceless.