What A Long Strange Program It's Been

[Anonymous]

Pirate is an arrogant asshole

and you're a crazy bitch!!!!

[Anonymous]

Pirate is an arrogant asshole

and you're a crazy bitch!!!!

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :tup:

[TheWho]

The person who suggested Hippie punch Pirate was not threatening physical violence. No threat from that person, just a suggestion to Hippie. If someone did that to you in person, you might want to clock their lights irregardless of the light-revealing qualities of the mocking they were doing of you.

Just for a minute, consider the possibility that what you are writing and saying reminds people of Straight just as much as what someone else is writing or how they are saying it or what they are saying to you reminds you of Straight.

I agree with the other person(s) here about the first post being abusive.

I think people feel very very justified in being angry at and subsequently abusive to other posters, esp. w/ respect to how much like a staff member they ever were or are or what they say on the board that reminds them too much of Straight, like those survivors who are just starting to think about it again, who may really be "clueless", not seeing what their real role was in Straight, then there's the survivors suffering PTSD real bad, etc. I'm just taking an expansive view here. Isn't that one of the hardest things about getting healed from child abuse? We were told it was out of love, that it wasn't that bad, etc., so anything that starts getting felt about that experience is still run through the "you're whining and complaining" routine in the brain. It is not easy for survivors to face is their own participation in a hate group. People are at all different stages of "seeing the light" about Straight, about this and that, there is a bigger life too and Hippie raising money for kids means he has a big heart, whereas you can get all over Straight and still be the sort of person to make a mockery of someone just because you take them a certain way, or take them personally, or take them to be specifically insulting you rather than just saying what their own historical experience was. If Matt spent that long at Straight, there is a complicated thing going on there with the cult, with his perceived mission etc.

Am I completely being dense, or is mocking someone antithetical to showing them compassion?

[Anonymous]

The person who suggested Hippie punch Pirate was not threatening physical violence. No threat from that person, just a suggestion to Hippie. If someone did that to you in person, you might want to clock their lights irregardless of the light-revealing qualities of the mocking they were doing of you.

Sure you might want to but would it be right?


Just for a minute, consider the possibility that what you are writing and saying reminds people of Straight just as much as what someone else is writing or how they are saying it or what they are saying to you reminds you of Straight.

Don't have to consider it.  It happens all the time around here.  I guess some people were trying to say that to Hippy

I agree with the other person(s) here about the first post being abusive.

Mean yes, but abusive??  Nah.

I think people feel very very justified in being angry at and subsequently abusive to other posters, esp. w/ respect to how much like a staff member they ever were or are or what they say on the board that reminds them too much of Straight,

yes I agree and some people have a major problem with former staff period.

 It is not easy for survivors to face is their own participation in a hate group.

No not easy but necessary.

People are at all different stages of "seeing the light" about Straight, about this and that, there is a bigger life too and Hippie raising money for kids means he has a big heart, whereas you can get all over Straight and still be the sort of person to make a mockery of someone just because you take them a certain way, or take them personally, or take them to be specifically insulting you rather than just saying what their own historical experience was. If Matt spent that long at Straight, there is a complicated thing going on there with the cult, with his perceived mission etc.

I'm glad Hippy helps kids.  Lots of us help kids.  Some people help out former inmates of Straight.  Some kids were there 5 years or more and are majorly fucked up and can't function properly.  Some people didn't truly get out for years after because family was so caught up in Straight.  Some people's parents kept dragging them back over and over and over again transferring from program to program to program.

Am I completely being dense, or is mocking someone antithetical to showing them compassion?

Compassion is here.  There was compassion for Hippy in the beginning.  I guess people just got fed up with him telling everyone (over and over again) that they really didn't understand because he had it so much worse.  It could have been him insisting that he was "good staff" and just trying to help, I don't know.   Being on staff seems to be a major fuse igniter here

[Anonymous]

yeah,you could say i was on staff....but i wasn't really...5 weeks of hell with dean and sylvia.......thats all.....i was a joke to them and they ruined my life......when i found out about boston i had just lost my best friend in an accident,my dad died of cancer,then my guitarist quit me and i had no band.....playing music was like my medication......like a heroin addict has his fix,music was mine and it got taken away from me......then boom! i found out the truth about boston........i was so very pissed off man.....i'm sorry to all of the ppl i offended.....i didn't mean to......i was having a hard time wrapping my head around everything that was happening/happened.........if you noticed,i kind of quit being on here.....way too much stress for me.....i was plotting out plans to avenge the wrongs done to me.....shit i even had adresses to 3 paticular ppl ......not good man.......i want to thank all of you who helped pull me through that time........i'd be in prison right now if it weren't for you......you know,posting is a very hard way to convey what i was saying......if you talked to me on the phone,you'd get a different vibe than what i wrote....theres just way too many details i left out just to finish writing........no,i knew many many ppl that got huuuuued way worse than i did when i was in there.......kevin g,todd r,adam w,mike d april d...just to name a few right off the top........anyways,have fun at me......nothing seems to change in regards to str8 inc ppl........i got huuued in there and i get huuuued on here too.......hippie

[Anonymous]

.....i was plotting out plans to avenge the wrongs done to me.....shit i even had adresses to 3 paticular ppl ......hippie

This is a little disturbing.

[Anonymous]

fuck with me,i'll fuck with you.......oh well......it never happened so how disturbing can it be....? i was hurting all over.....i saw no relief from it......then i kept getting screwed with by anon assholes too.i don't have but one I.D on here . i don't screw with ppl's heads as a anon poser......thats just chicken shit to me.....and its way too much like fucking group too.....some ppl claim to hate str8,but love to treat ppl like they were taught in str8 to do.....what happened to me up in boston was a hell of a mind fuck and it followed me for a long long time.....my family never let up on me for 20 yrs after that!....when i found out that my suspisions were correct,i went off the deep side and me and my family had it out........things have changed considerably since i found out the truth.......i about wanted to die...to me it meant the way i was treated by my family was totally unacceptable{i accepted it only because over time i had come to believe that i was the one who screwed up}....anyways,whatever.i don't give a shit what you guys think anymore.......if you look at my first few postings,you'll see that i was just a happy go lucky ex str8 inc abused person who was looking for a few friends........not holy shit,those fucking &%*&$^(^($*%&^$%^$%&$&%^*%**^&*^&(^&(*( assholes!......what i found out happened to me up there for real,really fried my brain......then the anons kicked in with thier bullshit.......to me it was shit,the staff asshole elite fuckers never accepted me or respected me.now its the same with everyone else too?!!!....i'll show everyone what happens when you fuck with me......and i set out to hunt them all down.....1 by fucking 1......if it hadn't been for froderick,i would've done it......i had already called an airplane travel agent,called my friend in rhodes island......i was ready to go.......again,thank you to those who unwittingly stopped me from going through with it.......hip

[teachback]

.....i was plotting out plans to avenge the wrongs done to me.....shit i even had adresses to 3 paticular ppl ......hippie

This is a little disturbing.

Not really... I'd hate to see hippie go to jail over something like that, BUT.....

[Anonymous]

lemme get this straight (pun intended).  Someone says something mean about you on a message board and it's perfectly acceptable to physically "hunt them down" and um, how did you put it..."fuck with them?"  Alrighty then. :roll:

I'm starting to see what your roommates were so freaked out about.

[Anonymous]

no,they told my parents i was doing drugs{none of this has anything to do with my roomates dude,thats long over},they hunted and followed me all over the place,got me arrested 23 times,lost 2 girlfriends because of it,2 places to live because of it,wound up on the streets and didn't care whether i lived or died because of 2-3 ppl that "were helping me out"......ultimatly,i wound up facing 15-120 yrs in prison because they manipulated my life! HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU FEEL???!!!!!!!!!!!.....i was sober for 6 1/2 yrs before all this got rolling....i really wanted to stay off drugs man.........is it that hard to believe that ppl in str8 like the ppl i'm talking about couldn't do that to someone? i had no idea that all of the grief i experienced after my deal in boston was from them.......don't fucking manipulate the situation dude.my roomates were assholes that worshiped and did everything dean minstretta and anyone above them told them to do......if you read the post,you'll see that i forgave them....it wasn't thier fault.......they were manipulated too.......geez...comprehension is definatly a weak point here........if someone ruined your already ruined life even more than before and YOU just found out about it 20 yrs later,how would you feel right now?......see? this is why i don't come on here much anymore.......my roomates were paranoid of me because of other ppl higher up on the ladder feeding thier lack of reality lives a bunch of bullshit about me......just leave me alone....that place ruined my life and many other ppls lives and takes no guilt for what they did.........let's put it this way,if i hadn't gone to boston,i would just be someone who looks back and says "man,that was some crazy shit"...instead,i'm still dealing with the fact that they manipulated my life a second time and basically left me for dead!........and i found out about it 20 yrs later......put yourself in my shoes ok?.....i don't mean to sound so pist off right now,but i'm tired of being scrutinised for something i had absolutly no control over......like i'm the bad guy or something........if these guys are your friends,well,they fucked up my life and probably many more......is that hard to believe?..after all,they were the "groomed for staff,elitist" ever so aware of everyone......what a bunch of baloney.....the biggest character flaw str8 ever had was that the GROUP staff were ppl right off thier phases that had no real sobriety time! they were right off thier phases and on staff "helping" ppl.!!! they had no life experiences in the fucking real world....if anyone in str8 was an all day sucker,it was the egoed up group staff ......to my stupidity,i didn't think that would effect me.....i thought i was beyond the scrutiny....to me it was just a job.....the reality is,they didn't want me there because i wasn't controlable! so they looked for ways to get rid of me!....they never told me why i was fired....and they gave me another job elsewhere too......they probably drank coffe and laughed at how they screwed me..........then to cover thier tracks,they went even further to screw my life up.....they had to! they told everyone i screwed up and was on drugs......they had to make fucking sure i did screw up!......hippie

[Anonymous]

lemme get this straight (pun intended).  Someone says something mean about you on a message board and it's perfectly acceptable to physically "hunt them down" and um, how did you put it..."fuck with them?"  Alrighty then. :roll:

I'm starting to see what your roommates were so freaked out about.

You probably WERE one of his roommates.........  :lol:

[Anonymous]

Maybe I got it wrong.  I thought you were talking about tracking down the people that were mocking you here.  Perfectly acceptable to hunt down former staff.   Carry on.

[starry-eyed pirate]

.....the biggest character flaw str8 ever had was that the GROUP staff were ppl right off thier phases that had no real sobriety time! ......hippie

See ??...How about the idea that kidnapping and imprisonment of minors who have been denied the spirit, if not the letter, of their constitutional rights, is immoral and unjust.  How 'bout it's wrong to just take everything from someone and then hold them prisoner, completely cut off from the outside world and  then place them under physical and mental durress, controlling every aspect of their behavior until they allow you to mind-rape-brainwash them!

I think $tr8 has several way more serious, fundamental character flaws than just that the group staff hadn't been off their phases long enough, having real life experiences.  I mean Hip's comment is  ridiculous, and appears to me, to have been made by someone who doesn't see.

How about the idea that people , even children(:roll:),  have rights ??

Now, just because I don't see eye to eye with Hip on this doesn't mean I think less of him as a human being or nothin.

I think the original post was appropriate.  Salty ?? yes, but appropriate.

Anyway where are you folks from that your friends aint real with ya ??

[Anonymous]

Hippy, serious question here.  From everything you write it seems taht you really wanted to go on staff badly.  Why?  I understand that what happened to you up there and after was fucked up but it seems like it was really important to you to be on staff and I was just curious what the motivation and thinking was behind a decision like that.

[Anonymous]

.....the biggest character flaw str8 ever had was that the GROUP staff were ppl right off thier phases that had no real sobriety time! ......hippie

See ??...How about the idea that kidnapping and imprisonment of minors who have been denied the spirit, if not the letter, of their constitutional rights, is immoral and unjust.  How 'bout it's wrong to just take everything from someone and then hold them prisoner, completely cut off from the outside world and  then place them under mental durress, controlling every aspect of their behavior until they allow you to brainwash them!

I think $tr8 has several way more serious, fundamental character flaws than just that the group staff hadn't been off their phases long enough, having real life experiences.  I mean Hip's comment is  ridiculous, and appears to me to have been made by someone who doesn't see.

How about the idea that people , even children(:roll:),  have rights ??

Now, just because I don't see eye to eye with Hip on this doesn't mean I think less of him as a human being or nothin.

I think the original post was appropriate.  Salty ?? yes, but appropriate.

Anyway where are you folks from that your friends aint real with ya ??

Ding ding ding ding ding ding!!!  We have a winner! :nworthy:  :nworthy: