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« on: April 24, 2006, 12:21:00 AM »
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Alcoholics Anonymous may as well qualify as a mainstream cult. Factually, the AA organization, and other 12 Step offspring like Narcotics Anonymous (NA), are in fact evangelical religious sects, enjoying the same tax dodge as churches. A typical AA meeting is conducted in a formal liturgical method: The attendees at said meetings must open by stating their names, and confess that they are alcoholics. The members chant the 12 Steps aloud as sanctioned by The Big Book -- the official "Bible" of AA. 'Twixt prayers and chants, each member is required to speak, usually a confession of any backsliding into "devil rum." Meek, depressed, and downtrodden individuals are often belittled and bullied by more aggressive members, especially if the individual is a female. Remember, Alcoholics Anonymous was founded by Midwestern businessmen from a different era, when women were looked upon as only fit to be housewives and doormats for the whims of the husband. (Rather like the views of many fundamentalists, today.) Women in AA, especially those perceived as having low self-esteem, are excellent fodder for predatory males in group sessions. Mental abuse is the norm for the downtrodden female, and actual cases of physical and sexual abuse have occurred. AA is trapped in a sexist and classist time-warp, and "uppity" women need not apply.

A problem drinker is encouraged from his/her first meeting to keep an open mind. Actually, what AA considers an open mind is anything but. An individual cannot deviate from AA dogma. A person conveying any differing opinion to those in The Big Book is castigated as being "in denial" by other members. Even relative social drinkers must confess aloud that they are alcoholics. The naïve and unaware initiates in AA are subjected to what I would call "Boot Camp Indoctrination." In the armed services, recruits arriving for basic training in their respective branches of the military are subjected to mental and physical torment to break down individuality to the lowest level, then re-tooled into a new military standard (see the movie Full Metal Jacket for an excellent portrayal of this). The 12 Step program requires a person to hit rock bottom before they can truly see the light about their "disease." One must forfeit any esteem of one's being -- "let go, let God." No other treatment for their drinking problem is condoned. Alcoholics Anonymous is the only path to recovery, no glimmer of heresy is allowed. Just like religious fundamentalists, only their way can lead the AA member to the Promised Land of sobriety.

Nearly every person in the 12 Step program has a "sponsor." In theory, the sponsor is there to aid an individual's path to recovery, to be a shoulder to cry on at any time of the day or night if they are tempted to go out and drink. The reality is that said sponsors are to act as the Praetorian Guard of the AA Empire. Their job is to keep the AA membership in line, bully and coerce the members. The AA participant must not associate with drinkers, and/or those who are critical of AA. Former members are often treated as apostates and shunned.

Now if the above paragraphs do not describe a religious organization with a blatant cult panache, I don't know what would. I really can't think of a better description for a mainstream cult.

AA's glittering reputation of
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2006, 07:13:00 AM »
Very weak. if this is your idea of making someone mad,or to solicit a response,then congrats.Just more proof that I own you both. You guys(girls) sure spend alot of time trying to get under my skin. But it appears that its I,that is under your skins.Either that,or you have some of the aformentioned homosexual feelings for me.In which case,comeon over and will pee in your ass. YOU FIRST DAVE.
I own you
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2006, 08:30:00 AM »
NEW RECOVERY GROUP
Recover From Twelve-Step Groups

We have a new twelve-step program to help you recover from the evil influences of too many twelve-step recovery group meetings:

1. Admit that you are powerless over twelve-step meetings -- that your life has become unmanageable. Scream and pass out.

2. Come to believe that only Santa Claus can restore you to sanity.

3. Make a decision to give all of your problems to Santa Claus, as we understand Him.

4. Turn your will and your mind over to the care of Santa Claus. They were worthless anyway. Also stick him with those pesky problems.

5. Make a searching and fearless inventory of your garage. You won't believe the junk you will find in there.

6. Confess to everyone that you can't sing, you can't dance, your butt is too fat, and you have bad breath.

7. Make yourself entirely ready to have Santa Claus fix those defects.

8. Write a letter to Santa Claus, humbly begging him to remove all of your shortcomings.

9. Make a list of all of the people you have pissed off.

10. Go piss them off again.

11. Continue to inventory your garage, and when you find that you are hoarding some really useless junk, promptly admit it.

12. Seek, through your cell phone, to maintain constant contact with Santa Claus, as we understand Him. If you can't get Him, call a psychic hotline. Do whatever the old witch says.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2006, 08:38:00 AM »
How to have fun with recovery:

1.  Brag about all of your sober time.

2.  Threaten to relapse if you don't get your own way.

3.  Complain that people who do things you don't like are endangering your recovery.

4.  Explain that you have to go to a meeting whenever your wife asks you to do something that you don't want to do, like take out the garbage.

5.  Act like a real ass-hole, and then demand that everyone congratulate you for not drinking while you did it.

6.  Dump your old wife because she isn't in recovery, and pick up on that new cutie who is showing up at the meetings.
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2006, 08:50:00 AM »
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"How to have fun with recovery:



1.  Brag about all of your sober time.



2.  Threaten to relapse if you don't get your own way.



3.  Complain that people who do things you don't like are endangering your recovery.



4.  Explain that you have to go to a meeting whenever your wife asks you to do something that you don't want to do, like take out the garbage.



5.  Act like a real ass-hole, and then demand that everyone congratulate you for not drinking while you did it.



6.  Dump your old wife because she isn't in recovery, and pick up on that new cutie who is showing up at the meetings.



"

God damn I like that
will be sharing this with my AA friends .. That is hysterical
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2006, 08:54:00 AM »
My TV smoked the other day, so I took it to the TV repairman. He looked it over, and then told me, "I can fix it, but only if you believe in electronics."

I said that I didn't understand what he meant.

He said that it was necessary for me to believe in electronics, and to believe that the fix would work, in order for it to work.

I told him, "Well, yeh, I guess I believe it will work, if you fix it right."

He said, "No, no, no! That isn't good enough. You have to really believe that it will work." He fixed me with a steely glare and got right in my face. "You must totally believe in electronics. You must rid yourself of all doubts. You must abandon logic and Reason and human intelligence. You must have faith, and completely give yourself to this simple repair program. Grit your teeth together harder, to make yourself more religious, and say, 'I really, really, *really* believe in electronics.'"

I took my TV to another repairman. That guy was nuts.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2006, 09:51:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-24 04:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Very weak. if this is your idea of making someone mad,or to solicit a response,then congrats.Just more proof that I own you both. You guys(girls) sure spend alot of time trying to get under my skin. But it appears that its I,that is under your skins.Either that,or you have some of the aformentioned homosexual feelings for me.In which case,comeon over and will pee in your ass. YOU FIRST DAVE.

I own you"


Actually art, who ever posted started this thread clearly demonstrated that they own YOU. For it is YOU who was the first to react and respond with your usuall blatant meaningless blabber. So you now pee in assholes? Is that what you do to your dog?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2006, 03:52:00 PM »
http://oldweb.uwp.edu/academic/criminal ... cult01.htm

Is Alcoholics Anonymous a Cult?

An Old Question Revisited

© L. Allen Ragels

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The ?alcoholism cult.? That?s what Sheldon Bacon, for many years the director of the Rutgers Center for Alcohol Studies, called overly avid supporters of Alcoholics Anonymous.[1]

Alcoholics Anonymous ? AA as it is generally known ? was started in the 1930s as a spinoff from the Oxford Group, a religious movement whose ideas were sometimes alleged to help chronic drinkers. With the aid and approval of key members of the power elite such as John D. Rockefeller, Jr., AA grew from an obscure idea to what many have come to regard as a national treasure: society?s premier (practically only) way of treating alcohol, drug, and related addiction problems. By now, AA certainly must have more than a million members, with groups organized in virtually every city, town, and village, along with numerous foreign countries.  Moreover, AA?s core doctrine, the famous Twelve Steps, has been adopted by hundreds of parallel organizations with programs that address problems such as gambling, overeating, emotional troubles, and related family issues. Without question, AA and the Twelve Steps are among America?s most well known and revered institutions.

Nonetheless, assertions that AA may be a cult have been present from practically the beginning. Bacon?s chiding dates from the 1940s. By the 1960s, harsher evaluations had emerged. Evaluations that were absolutely meant to be taken quite seriously and literally. ?Why has AA become a cult that many men and women reverently call ?the greatest movement since the birth of Christianity??? AA critic Arthur Cain asked in 1963.[2] ?AA has become a dogmatic cult whose chapters too often turn sobriety into slavery to AA,? he alleged a year later.[3]

Cult or What?

Cain, a writer and psychologist whose skirmishes with AA were documented in national magazines such as Harper?s and the Saturday Evening Post, was perhaps the loudest, but not necessarily the first, to notice AA?s resemblance to an organized cult. ?We are struck by the sect or cult-like aspects of AA,? alcohologists Morris E. Chafetz and Harold W. Demone, Jr. observed in 1962. ?This is true in terms of its history, structure, and the charisma surrounding its leader, Bill W[ilson].?[4] Furthermore, Chafetz and Demone asserted that: ?In our opinion AA is really not interested in alcoholics in general, but only as they relate to AA itself.?[5]

Nor were Chafetz and Demone indisputably the first to take AA?s cult-like characteristics seriously. Nearly two decades earlier, in 1944, sociologist Robert Freed Bales noted ?potentially disturbing structural features of Alcoholics Anonymous.?[6] Features that, in the opinion of some, might suggest a cult mentality. Foreshadowing Chafetz and Demone, Bales found that AA had little appreciation for its individual members: ?it mattered little just who thought the thoughts, felt the sentiments, and performed the functions characteristic of the [group?s] structure,? he noted, ?as long as somebody did.?[7] The very perceptive Bales also saw how the charismatic quality of the Program would be retained beyond the inevitable passing of its founders. More than a quarter of a century before the death of Wilson, AA?s last surviving cofounder, Bales observed that, ?the ?magic? has been transferred to ?The Book,? Alcoholics Anonymous, apparently with a considerable degree of success.?[8]

In 1964, AA again faced the charge that it harbored covert cult-like attitudes when Jerome Ellison, writing for The Nation magazine, reiterated Cain?s analyses: ?Arthur H. Cain pointed out [AA?s] tendencies toward cultism and narrow orthodoxy that limited the fellowship?s therapeutic effectiveness.?[9] Ellison also quoted from letters to the editor inspired by the Cain critique: ?The fanatics who prevail in some groups seem bent on making AA into a hostile, fundamentalist religion,? one letter writer avowed.[10]

Writing in 1989, alcohologist and cult researcher Marc Galanter found that: ?From the start AA displayed characteristics of a charismatic sect: strongly felt shared belief, intense cohesiveness, experiences of altered consciousness, and a potent influence on members? behavior. . . . As in the Unification Church workshops, most of those attending AA chapter meetings are deeply involved in the group ethos, and the expression of views opposed to the group?s model of treatment is subtly or expressly discouraged.?[11]
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2006, 11:43:00 PM »
I was in it before & me and my bff totally think that it's a cult. I only joined it to get off heroin, not even to stop drinking. It didn't work, I wound up getting isolated from all of my old friends, many who didn 't even do heroin, because they weren't sober, and then I was hanging out only with my bff, who got with someone who was on heroin, and then he started doing it, & then I got back on it. Then I called one of my old friends, who wasn't sober or on heroin, but he helped me get off it & then I helped my friend get off it. We're not sober though, but I have a job & a house & am going back to get my masters degree. I think being completely sober drove me & my bff nuts, and that's why we got back on the horse after a while. The 12 step program didn't work, I prefer the marijuana step program. Hey I may not be "sober" or ready to "do God's will" but I'm employed, have a place to live- that I pay for, I have friends, and I'm not dead. I know AA people would say that my "life is unmanagable" & that "a drug is a drug" & that it doesn't matter what it is, but do you really think that smoking a joint & having a 40oz is the same as doing a bag of heroin? I don't think so.
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2006, 01:12:00 AM »
some people need crutches,, of course aa is a cult,,, but if you buy the whole package it seems to work.. concept,, or brainwashing,, or behavior mod is nuthing new.but they only work with peer pressure,, the blue monkeys will always tear apart the red  monkey.
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2006, 09:15:00 AM »
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"some people need crutches,, of course aa is a cult,,, but if you buy the whole package it seems to work.. concept,, or brainwashing,, or behavior mod is nuthing new.but they only work with peer pressure,, the blue monkeys will always tear apart the red  monkey."


shut up art, you are a failure at AA as well as every other thing in life.
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2006, 09:43:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-25 22:12:00, Anonymous wrote:


"some people need crutches,, of course aa is a cult,,, but if you buy the whole package it seems to work.. concept,, or brainwashing,, or behavior mod is nuthing new.but they only work with peer pressure,, the blue monkeys will always tear apart the red  monkey."




shut up art, you are a failure at AA as well as every other thing in life."

must have the late shift at the gas station today huh dave?
Am I buggin you ?
I dont know who the other poster is but guess what
he and I own you and your fecal brother Jordan
so predictable... thanks for the laughs
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2006, 11:22:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-26 11:58:00, artman11111 wrote:

"Have never seen IT work. Though have seen alot of people that can be honest with themselves and others completely change their lives. Of course AA is not for drug users.. And heroin is an awful drug to attempt to be free of. Takes alot more than I believe AA can offer.

More importantly... Congrats on gettin your life together.You earned it. I am so sure it wasnt an easy road. Best of luck and warm wishes !

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WoW look at this! The former 12 stepper himself actually logged in. I just got to know art, do you try to make a pass at your AA sponser? Is that why you were a failure at AA? Because they ratted you at and kicked you out? And your sponser gave you a real nice shiner in both eyes, made you look like a Racoon.
Stick to your dog artie, I guarntee he wont say a word to anyone.   ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::
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