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confrontinghyde:
PPS correlation does not mean causation.

Ursus:

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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Yup. That's exactly the way it used to be. Work crew, confrontation in seminar, ridicule in school meeting, and school-wide ostracism was used as a cure for everything from a bad attitude to aspergers. Joe had tremendous disdain for the professional practice of psychology, preferring a do-it-yourself approach using psych tricks brought to popular awareness through the human potential movement. From what I can tell, that's pretty much exactly what Hyde School still does, although they have been forced to make concessions re. kids taking psych meds due to cultural trends and public awareness.

The "character education" is, IMO, a reflection of Joe's obsession with his own self-improvement. What actually transpires at Hyde was probably based in part on, or at least was heavily influenced by, a therapeutic community based program for treating juvenile delinquents called Guided Group Interaction, originally developed for military offenders by Lloyd McCorkle in the 1940s.

GGI is the forerunner of Positive Peer Culture, a more palatable label that many folk confuse with a general descriptive of using the influence of peers in a positive way or towards positive goals. Make no mistake about it, PPC is a "group therapy" method which, in its original form, strives to create a 'round the clock, 24/7 therapeutic milieu in order to effect intended behavior modification. Pretty much every single program featured on fornits uses it or other TC-based protocols of one form or another. It all boils down to using group pressure, or mob mentality if you will, to coerce both behavioral as well as psychological change in adolescents.
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Ursus, I was there. I don't need you or anyone else to validate my personal account of Hyde.

As far as Hyde making "concessions" regarding medication- did you read my post to begin with? Hyde has no authority to tell anyone what medication they can and cannot take. There was no concession due to "cultural trends." Stop making crap up and scouring the internet for whatever snipit of text you can copy and paste to support your opinion of the day.

Hyde is not a good place. I don't support it, but a lot of what you post on here is as off-base and misinformed as anything that goes on at Hyde.

PS who gives a crap what the etiology of Hyde's dogma is? I sure don't.
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Jeeezzz... you seem to have some issues with someone, but I'm not sure it's me! Sorry if the way I phrase things seems to piss you off; it surely isn't intended to!

You had said, "If Hyde had it's way I am pretty sure you'd be expected to solve your own mental health problems though work crew and having one to ones during dinner," and to which I replied, "Yup. That's exactly the way it used to be. Work crew, confrontation in seminar, ridicule in school meeting, and school-wide ostracism was used as a cure for everything from a bad attitude to aspergers." I'm sorry if that somehow offends you.

In my day, there was almost no one taking any medication. There was even talk to the effect of that going that route was a cop-out. That kids' problems were all moral failings and character flaws. That has changed, not necessarily because Hyde wanted to, but because the way our society views that issue has changed, i.e, that of kids taking meds. And I do, personally, see accommodating that as a concession that Hyde has made due to economic realities, but you're more than welcome, of course, to disagree with me.

I don't see where I even addressed the issue of whether or not Hyde has the "authority to tell anyone what medication they can and cannot take." However, on a related note, that is, on how Hyde's philosophical stance on medication may have affected kids' access to it, it appears that on at least two somewhat recent occasions a kid has been sent to outpost and their bipolar meds were simply "forgotten."

If you feel that strongly that what I post is "off-base and misinformed," how come you're not on here trying to refute it?  :D

Ursus:

--- Quote from: "confrontinghyde" ---PS who gives a crap what the etiology of Hyde's dogma is? I sure don't.
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Personally, I find that figuring out where Hyde's psychobabble comes from ... goes a long way towards putting it in its rightful place. You may very well not feel that way, and apparently don't.


--- Quote from: "confrontinghyde" ---PPS correlation does not mean causation.
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No, there is a tremendous amount I don't know of that went into Joe's witches brew. He seems to have picked up bits and pieces from here and there. I just report on what I find, for what it's worth.

And I am sure that the "official Hyde version" thereof, while certainly informative, is apt to be more than a little skewed and incomplete.

If you know of other info, why not report/discuss it here?  :D

DannyB II:
:shamrock:  :shamrock:

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confrontinghyde spoke:

Ursus, I was there. I don't need you or anyone else to validate my personal account of Hyde.

As far as Hyde making "concessions" regarding medication- did you read my post to begin with? Hyde has no authority to tell anyone what medication they can and cannot take. There was no concession due to "cultural trends." Stop making crap up and scouring the internet for whatever snipit of text you can copy and paste to support your opinion of the day.

Hyde is not a good place. I don't support it, but a lot of what you post on here is as off-base and misinformed as anything that goes on at Hyde.

PS who gives a crap what the etiology of Hyde's dogma is? I sure don't.



confrontinghyde spoke:

Re: For Current Students at Hyde School

New postby confrontinghyde » Today, 00:49

PPS  "correlation does not mean causation."


Ursus spoke:
Jeeezzz... you seem to have some issues with someone, but I'm not sure it's me! Sorry if the way I phrase things seems to piss you off; it surely isn't intended to!

In my day, there was almost no one talking any medication. There was even talk to the effect of that going that route was a cop-out. That kid's problems were all moral failings and character flaws. That has changed, not necessarily because Hyde wanted to, but because the way our society views that issue has changed, i.e, that of kids taking meds. And I do, personally, see accommodating that as a concession that Hyde has made due to economic realities, but you're more than welcome, of course, to disagree with me.

I don't see where I even addressed the issue of whether or not Hyde has the "authority to tell anyone what medication they can and cannot take." However, on a related note, that is, on how Hyde's philosophical stance on medication may have affected kids' access to it, it appears that on at least two occasions a kid has been sent to outpost and their bipolar meds were simply "forgotten."

If you feel that strongly that what I post is "off-base and misinformed," how come you're not on here trying to refute it? :D


Ursus spoke:

confrontinghyde wrote:
PS who gives a crap what the etiology of Hyde's dogma is? I sure don't.

Ursus:
Personally, I find that figuring out where Hyde's psychobabble comes from ... goes a long way towards putting it in its rightful place. You may very well not feel that way, and apparently don't.

confrontinghyde wrote:
PPS correlation does not mean causation.

Ursus:
No, there is a tremendous amount I don't know of that went into Joe's witches brew. He seems to have picked up bits and pieces from here and there. I just report on what I find, for what it's worth.

And I am sure that the "official Hyde version" thereof, while certainly informative, is apt to be more than a little skewed and incomplete.

If you know of other info, why not report/discuss it here? :D


DannyB II spoke:
 :notworthy:
Get what I have been saying hotshot, listen more you may learn.
You have opinions anybody can have them.
BTW,  you don't just report what you find that would be fine, you take it a step further.

Danny

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