son in WWASP program

[69]

"half baked pizzas" (kids in their care)

Talking about all this stuff really puts me in a bad mood, but I seriously laughed at that. That quote by randall is unbelievable... what an idiot.  ::noway::  :roll:

I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard was not what I meant.



---Richard Nixon

[ This Message was edited by: Exit Plan on 2006-04-21 14:34 ]

[MightyAardvark]

you know the same phrase that makes your spit laughing makes me want to cave his skull in.

[69]

Yeah me too, but you know what I mean. It's all just so ridiculous you wonder how it's even possible.

A celibate clergy is an especially good idea because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism.
--Carl Sagan, American astronomer and author

[ This Message was edited by: Exit Plan on 2006-04-21 13:47 ]

[Anonymous]

If kids COULD control their behavior enough to avoid the Hobbit's stringent exiting conditions, then why would those same kids (whom the program deems capable of behaving well enough to escape the Hobbit and/or whatever they're calling the purple room), be in need of one to three years in locked facilities?

[MightyAardvark]

Perhaps Irish Mom could correct this but I understand that release from the hobbit is conditional on compliance with staff instructions. Am I wrong?

[Irish Mom]

That's true.  The students need to be following the rules set in Intervention in order to leave after 30 minutes.  For some this is an easy thing to accomplish, because they've had approx 30 min to take a breath and if possible calm down.  Others had a way more difficult time due to various reasons both internal and external. I found that a lot depended on the staff that was working in Intervention.  They could either make or break a students time in there.  Same thing went for the Jr. Staff...some of those kids were just as bad as the staff in escalating another student into trouble.

My personal opinion was that the idea of a cooling off period was great.  Everyone can use that once in a while, but the way it was done left much to be desired.

Please note that I'm not saying that the use of  Intervention or Isolation, as some call it, at SCL is in anyway a good thing.  I was just saying that the "idea" of getting to leave a bad situation, for whatever reason, and go somewhere supposedly quiet, had it's good points.  I sometimes wish I could do that at home, but as those of you with children know, that's not always possible... :cry2: [ This Message was edited by: Irish Mom on 2006-04-22 09:12 ]

[MightyAardvark]

Thanks very much for comfirming that.

[MightyAardvark]

I understand that the correct therapeutic use of "timeout" as it is correctly referred to i the psychiatric community is to provide the distressed child with a place to withdraw from the distressing situation. It is additionally my understanding that the child must be free to leave the "timeout" room at any time. Coercive timeouts, properly known as "Isolation" are used to force a child into co-operating with authority figures.
Bottom line, if a child isn't free to leave it ain't therapeutic, it's punitive.

[Badpuppy]

So Irish Mom when you there how did they punish running away?
How did they punish fighting?
Was masturbation against the rules and how was it punished?

[MightyAardvark]

Let's not get into another shouting match shall we!

[Badpuppy]

Who is shouting? I am simply interested to see if they have changed their policies. No anger intened.

[Irish Mom]

On 2006-04-22 09:37:00, Badpuppy wrote:

"So Irish Mom when you there how did they punish running away?

How did they punish fighting?

Was masturbation against the rules and how was it punished?"

They have recently come out with a new rule manual, so things have changed a bit since I was there.  I can find out what they are now and I will post it.

Here goes with what my consequence card said:

Running: Is a Cat4 for just run plans either verbal or written.  If a student ran then I think it falls under a Cat5:Serious Misconduct

Fighting: Could be anything from a 402(removal), 407(fighting), or a 504(Serious Misconduct/Assault). Bullying would be a 313

As for the masturbation, I think it could fall under a 211(violating rules unique to the facility), 308(BRV-blatant rule violation), or a 401E(inappropriate relationship).  I, for one, never had to hand out that consequence...thank God....lol.  That one usually fell to the Night Staff.  Talk about an incredibly stupid consequence!

I'm not sure if any or all of these have changed recently, so don't quote me on them please.  :smile:

[Irish Mom]

On 2006-04-22 10:35:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"A time out need not take place in a room away from everyone. The best method is to just have the kid sit off to the side abit until he collects his thoughts. When the kid asks for a time out they should agree to some sort of reasonable time frame, then discuss the problem with the group when the time is finished.



Why stuff them in a room?



Does this room have furniture?



Is is well lighted?



Does it have heat and air conditioning?



What if the kid needs to talk to someone?



Can he even talk to staff to discuss the problems that he or she is having?

The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force.
--Thomas Jefferson

"

There seems to be some confusion on what is considered a timeout and when a student is sent to intervention.  I'm just going to tell you what I know, so please don't think I agree with any of it.

While I was there if a student needed a time out they were either able to go on a 10 minute walk with the Flex staff to talk or they could take it in worksheets/studyhall.  They didn't automatically go to intervention for a "timeout".  That was only if they were being disruptive and removed from the classroom, family, etc.. I tried to spend as much time as I possibly could talking to the girls in my care that needed to talk.  If they didn't want to talk to me I would get them someone else to talk to.  They were also allowed to put their heads down if they wanted to stay where they were.

In intervention it's a little different.  They have to sit quietly, not talking.  This was something I didn't agree with and I know a few staff that would talk to the kids anyway and listen to them vent.  They do have chairs to sit in and from what I saw they were really nice and comfortable(not that it makes a difference when you're upset), but at least it isn't the bare floor.

Hope this answers some of your questions TSW.. :smile:

[001010]

On 2006-04-21 11:42:00, Exit Plan wrote:

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On 2006-04-21 11:01:00, MightyAardvark wrote:


"Exit plan, no one is defending WWASPS.


No one here is defending WWASPS.


Go back and re-ead her post, you don't need to defend yourself because no one is attacking you."

Your right, no one attacked me. But to suggest that SCL is changing for the better, is equivilent to putting lipstick on a pig. For any parent wandering this thread to think that SCL is somehow "improved" is a complete fallacy.



God, I wish I could just forget about it all.

If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.
--US District Judge H. Lee Sarokin

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"Lipstick on a pig..." I like that. Excellent metaphor.

[Badpuppy]

Thanks for answering my questions. Did any of these rule violations come with a set punishment in intervention? Former residents have complained that fighting runing away, and masturbation was an automatic 3 days in the hobbit, or what now is intervention.