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« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2006, 12:32:00 PM »
Troll.
I guess I'll try again in a few hours.
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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2006, 12:35:00 PM »
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"Troll.

I guess I'll try again in a few hours."

See what I mean!
You Brits are NO FUN!
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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2006, 12:43:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-12 09:12:00, MightyAardvark wrote:

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What do we all think is the best way to make use of this video?"


Post it on all the message boards related to the teen help industry, put it on google video where anyone in the world can watch it for free, and let parents who are researching these gulags find it just by searching. This has all been done now.
Over the years there have been Dateline NBC specials, and other mainstream news exposes on these programs, and they reached a WIDE audience. NBC, Time magazine, NY times... that's a lot of people. These camps are being built at record pace. I don't think a lack of information is the issue here. The very type of parents who don't care about abuse charges are the ones who seek it out... if you think I am kidding, read some of these forums. I saw in another one of your posts you said people should concentrate on one program and work on shutting it down? There are over four hundred programs in the state of Montana alone! There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of these programs in the US. So even if you did shut one down, they'd just pop up down the road with a new name. Govt. regulation would probably do the trick, but with the repubs in chagre, and recieving both financial and political ( they say they are helping teens) benefits, legislation will go nowhere. The dem's are going to sweep back into congress most likely this fall, maybe the new program bill will grow some legs then.
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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2006, 12:49:00 PM »
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"Anyhow, back on topic.


What do we all think is the best way to make use of this video?"




Post it on all the message boards related to the teen help industry, put it on google video where anyone in the world can watch it for free, and let parents who are researching these gulags find it just by searching. This has all been done now.

Over the years there have been Dateline NBC specials, and other mainstream news exposes on these programs, and they reached a WIDE audience. NBC, Time magazine, NY times... that's a lot of people. These camps are being built at record pace. I don't think a lack of information is the issue here. The very type of parents who don't care about abuse charges are the ones who seek it out... if you think I am kidding, read some of these forums. I saw in another one of your posts you said people should concentrate on one program and work on shutting it down? There are over four hundred programs in the state of Montana alone! There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of these programs in the US. So even if you did shut one down, they'd just pop up down the road with a new name. Govt. regulation would probably do the trick, but with the repubs in chagre, and recieving both financial and political ( they say they are helping teens) benefits, legislation will go nowhere. The dem's are going to sweep back into congress most likely this fall, maybe the new program bill will grow some legs then. "

Just DONT HAVE KIDS,then it will just be something that happens to "other people".
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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2006, 12:54:00 PM »
You could be right about that. I advocate picking one program and shutting it down because the opposition movement really needs to focus the few resources it has on winning a realistic victory. We are hopelessly overmatched in terms of resources and co-ordination (they have one guy pulling the trings, we are a mass of individuals doing our own thing)
I don't advocate shutting one program down because I think that would make a materiel difference to the overall problem, rather because I think a psychological victory would help the case for regulation.
The fact that kids get sent to these places with their parents complicity is for me, exceptionally difficult to stomach but I have no doubt that you are correct.
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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2006, 01:02:00 PM »
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I don't advocate shutting one program down because I think that would make a materiel difference to the overall problem, rather because I think a psychological victory would help the case for regulation.


Recently a kid was beaten to death in a Florida state boot camp. The state covered it up, tried to at least, but the truth came out that they beat this boy to death. There have been thousands of news articles, appearing everyday in mainstream press about this. The result? Florida's lawmakers decide to reward the murderous boot camp lobby by giving them more money, you know, to improve the boot camps and all. Gotta love american politics.  :roll:
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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2006, 01:07:00 PM »
Yeah I saw that too.
Part of the problem is that the corruption that allows the teenhelp industry to avoid regulation goes right to the top of the Federal government.
Therefore, any legal measures we use are at best gestures of defiance. However, that leaves us with two options
1)break the law
2)Do nothing

So I guess we need to ask ourselves which it is.
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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2006, 01:15:00 PM »
3) Change the law.
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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2006, 01:15:00 PM »
4) Enforce the existing child abuse laws.
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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2006, 01:18:00 PM »
There are a lot more than your two options.
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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2006, 01:31:00 PM »
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Therefore, any legal measures we use are at best gestures of defiance. However, that leaves us with two options
1)break the law
2)Do nothing

So I guess we need to ask ourselves which it is.


As I re-read this statement, it almost seems to suggest that we break the law? What do you mean by this?
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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2006, 01:56:00 PM »
Options 3) and 4) are not really options as we have already discussed. Existing child protection laws are inadequate or easy circumvented and the various administrations in America have proven to be unwilling to regulate this industry for thirty years.

I am absolutely not advocating that we frivolously ignore or flout the law, however with the resources they have available and the political influence they wield make it very likely that strictly legal avenues will be ineffective. It's a dilemma we as a community need to address.
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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2006, 02:17:00 PM »
So... go ahead and address it. What illegal actions do you feel would benefit shutting down abusive programs? If you live in England, why don't you work on shutting down programs there. It seems weird to me that a foreigner is suggesting people break the law here in the states.
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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2006, 04:00:00 PM »
You know very well that I'm not going to discuss any plans even if I have them.
I'm not suggesting a solution at this stage, merely describing the problem and inviting comments and opinion.
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« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2006, 07:39:00 PM »
Will someone please call Paula Reeves and explain to her that I didn't actually invent the net and have not the power to have prevented whoever from snagging and propagating that video?

The Church says that the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church.
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