CAICA Posting Legal Complaints Revealing Minor Children's F

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-08 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-08 12:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
There are better ways to memorialize children who have been killed at the hands of this industry than put words into their mouths about their "feelings" at the time of their demise. It's really ghastly, IMO. Very poor taste.

OK, as I see it here is that this issue wouldn't be such an issue if there wasn't personal animosity directed at IZ.  For those of us who know her, I think we all understand the statement above and why we question her motives.  While the above doesn't explicity state this, other posts have adn I beleive that many of us find her self-consumption, self-absorbtion and the over all oblivious or general indifferent manner in which she conducts herself contrary to what it means to be an advocate for others.  I think that, essentially, it's hard to buy because so much personal ego gets in the way of what she does.  That is too bad because, as she has pointed out here, 'the more the merrier' and also naively states 'why not be happy' at that, that caica exists? well, it's difficult to be happy when so much of this work seems to revolve around getting your name out there, IZ, as much as it is about helping kids...  well perhaps more given that you ignore some of the finer points of advocacy work, that is RESPECT.



There's nothing more repulsive than that.  Not to mention that when you begin to mess with the reputation of others, paticulary to elevate your own status...well, that's just about the quickest way to lose respect and turn people against you... which is what I suspect is what's happening now .



The poems do come across as extremely tasteless, as does the manner in which IZ inserts herself and her name as if she alone is the angel with wings coming to rescue kids, ( press conferences, harassing CPS workers) and many of us are all to well aware of how incapable IZ's of working with others because she's unwilling to examine herself, her motives, and it then becomes clear that she does not act as selflessly as is necessary... her inability to take in criticisms and quickness to place her  own flaws  on others has led to this backlash, in my opinion. Her intentions may be good, but her execution and her desperate need to elevate her status lends a sort of pleasure to her down fall.



It's like that self-important kid in school who would lie all the time to make himself look good and do it with such condesention, trying to 'tell you like it is' (while you roll your eyes and appease him) ... it's like seeing that kid get tripped up and seeing him, in some way,  get that same BS thrown back at him finally... that's how I see this.  Hostility and animosity way to high."

well thanks for your psych eval of IZ. all of us who don't have a fucking clue what the caca storm is all about are just totally informed now why we shouldn't trust this woman or the information at her otherwise, pretty excellent, site.

now that you've gotten your eval of her off your chest, what did she do to you? less generalities and more specificis would be nice.[ This Message was edited by: Eudora on 2006-04-09 07:33 ]

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-08 12:05:00, Anonymous wrote:


Well DUH .. but it doesn't excuse publishing documents just because you can. Any advocate can do what she's doing whether they work for a lawfirm as a paralegal or not.  ISAC doesn't do it and either does TAUSA or any of the other groups and websites.  So let's just call a spade a spade and stop with the excuses.

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let's do call a spade a spade. links were posted to most of the leading survivor/advocate sites which did not redact the names of minors. if you don't want to check those links fine, but indeed, every site i looked at contains such documents.

for the record, i support redacting the names, particularly if the family requests it. i can't get behind the caca shit storm attack based on the falicy being perpetrated- that she/they have done something different than the other sites in terms of court documents. it's clearly not true.

also for the record, i support the other sites and my comments aren't intended as critisism toward them. i just fail to see where they have done it differently. hammer another, valid, point.

i'd still like to see examples of plagerism. and would like to know which of the deaths you consider to be inaccurate. those claims were made. now, show the proof. and what was done to the Whitmore parents- plural- as in more than joyce.

[Anonymous]

http://isaccorp.org/bethel/bethelcomplaint.pdf

Why?

[Anonymous]

Why? Because the parent requested that it be posted, that is why.

[Anonymous]

and a link to the "poems"- i'm assuming these are poems she wrote? i'd like to decide for myself if she comes off as the "lone angel". with such a huge "ego", you'd think the link to her poems would be large and in plain view. i can't find them.

[Anonymous]

Nice try -- but ISAC is not even in the same league as Izzie/CAICA for the reasons Buzz pointed out, ergo there is no double standard.

Second, TAUSA doesn't publish court documents period, and the other websites, I don't think anyone has posted a link to show they do either.

So back to square one.  CAICA/Izzie made her own bed and has to lie in it. Since the litigation page is not working, are we to presume she is cleaning house?

 :wink:

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-08 21:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

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and a link to the "poems"- i'm assuming these are poems she wrote? i'd like to decide for myself if she comes off as the "lone angel". with such a huge "ego", you'd think the link to her poems would be large and in plain view. i can't find them."

Naw, she just moved it.  For awhile it was at the top of the page, the memorial to Aaron Bacon,  think it was.

Totally disgusting, IMO.

And I am not posting a link to it to potentially annoy anybody else.  It's there if you wanna read it. Once was enough for me.

[Anonymous]

The Whitmore Academy page on CAICA is not working either. Did IZZY cave into Sue Scheff at PURE and take down everything about Whitmore Academy?

The owner at Whitmore Academy has been charged with 7 counts of child abuse and has a criminal tril pending.

Surely an ADVOCATE wouldn't ignore this abusive situation.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-08 21:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Why? Because the parent requested that it be posted, that is why."

parent- as in one? looks to be about ten or twelve kids. all their parents wanted it posted? not saying they didn't, just curious. are you speaking as a rep for ISAC? the parent?

[Anonymous]

The parent in the Bethel case asked ISAC to publish that court case.  That is not related to the Whitmore Academy.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-08 21:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Nice try -- but ISAC is not even in the same league as Izzie/CAICA for the reasons Buzz pointed out, ergo there is no double standard.



Second, TAUSA doesn't publish court documents period, and the other websites, I don't think anyone has posted a link to show they do either.



So back to square one.  CAICA/Izzie made her own bed and has to lie in it. Since the litigation page is not working, are we to presume she is cleaning house?



 :wink:



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your comments may convince anyone who didn't follow the links. i did, and i know better.
so this IS a pissing match over which site is superior.
yes, tausa provides links to court docs. it requires a password, or some such. also, her response to why all deaths weren't listed on her site, and why nothing about WWASP- was that she had decided to focus on wilderness programs only. well, i notice there is a page on Whitmore, which is a good thing, but they weren't a wilderness program. and all the deaths listed did not happen at wilderness programs. rtc and tbs are included. a bit confusing, but what the hell.

things just aren't shakin out. aren't making sense excpet to those in the inner circle of this lynching mob. might i remind all of you that this isn't your private forum to make generalized criticisms. the public is reading and it's rude to chat amongst yourself and refuse to provide links to support your allegations.

btw, i found the poems.
http://www.caica.org/CHILDREN%20ARE%20DYING.htm
they actually look like songs. i found them to be respectful and touching. others may as well.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-08 22:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The parent in the Bethel case asked ISAC to publish that court case.  That is not related to the Whitmore Academy."

did someone imply that bethel was related to whitmore?
there wasn't A parent in the bethel case. more like ten or twelve.
http://www.isaccorp.org/bethel/bethelcomplaint.pdf

[Anonymous]

Pissing match?
Lynching mob?
Allegations?F
"Found" the poems?

This is some strange behavior going on here.
Just strange.
Almost sad and pitiful.

[Nihilanthic]

Ca-ca does not remove names
on fornits we post
a foreigner wants this poem

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-08 22:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-08 21:51:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Nice try -- but ISAC is not even in the same league as Izzie/CAICA for the reasons Buzz pointed out, ergo there is no double standard.





Second, TAUSA doesn't publish court documents period, and the other websites, I don't think anyone has posted a link to show they do either.





So back to square one.  CAICA/Izzie made her own bed and has to lie in it. Since the litigation page is not working, are we to presume she is cleaning house?





 :wink:





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your comments may convince anyone who didn't follow the links. i did, and i know better.

so this IS a pissing match over which site is superior.

yes, tausa provides links to court docs. it requires a password, or some such. also, her response to why all deaths weren't listed on her site, and why nothing about WWASP- was that she had decided to focus on wilderness programs only. well, i notice there is a page on Whitmore, which is a good thing, but they weren't a wilderness program. and all the deaths listed did not happen at wilderness programs. rtc and tbs are included. a bit confusing, but what the hell.



things just aren't shakin out. aren't making sense excpet to those in the inner circle of this lynching mob. might i remind all of you that this isn't your private forum to make generalized criticisms. the public is reading and it's rude to chat amongst yourself and refuse to provide links to support your allegations.



btw, i found the poems.

http://www.caica.org/CHILDREN%20ARE%20DYING.htm

they actually look like songs. i found them to be respectful and touching. others may as well.

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No, TAUSA is undergoing a major website re-design.  There is a message posted on the site that says some links to webpages on the site are DISABLED while the site is being upgraded, including the archived material which is where all the wilderness material would be. There is a letter on her website, perhaps you should read it?

Sheesh!~ Give it a rest.  There's plenty of room for opinions and websites.  Print/Publish anything you want.  People don't like it, well, this ain't group, so you can expect some honest feedback.

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