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« on: March 25, 2006, 09:27:00 AM »
Juvenile boot camps are due to be eliminated and replaced with 'Star Academies,' Florida lawmakers said.
BY CAROL MARBIN MILLER AND MARC CAPUTO
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14182449.htm

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They must of learned this technique from all the other abusive camps that have come under scrutiny in the hpast. Change your company name, charge more money, and continue business as usual.
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2006, 12:14:00 PM »
cmarbin@MiamiHerald.com,HeraldEd@herald.com

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Dear Carol, Mark, Editor,

  You guys have been doing an excellent job of covering this important story. Forgive me if I seem overly skeptical at this point, but I just don't believe it. This Crowder guy claims an 80% non-recidivism rate? Has anyone checked into that? Cause he sure sounds a lot like Art Barker blowing hot air about The Seed's 90% success rate. Just like Mel and Betty Sembler, too, claiming "12,000 successful graduates" of Straight, Inc. And haven't the State of Florida generally, and FDLE specifically, always played a solid supporting role in covering up institutional child abuse? Who is it, again, that we're supposed to trust here?

  I would love to hope that this Crowder guy has got the right idea and he's not one of those self deluded sadists like virtually all of his colleges. But I'm just too old and too jaded to take his word for it. Please check his claims and look to see who's running these allegedly kinder, gentler programs. I guarantee you that if Drug Free America Foundation and their child abusing affiliates have anything to do with it, this will be just another rendition of the same tired old scam.

  This time, please don't wait another decade or three for these misguided zealots to kill a few more kids. Now is the time to check these people's stories. Now, BEFORE you give them mo' money and a clean slate. Right NOW you should be looking very critically at what they've got to sell you. TOUGHLOVE is a hategroup. Unless and until you can eliminate that toxic philosophy from your public sector, you'll just keep repeating the same mistakes again and again.

  Crowder could go a long way toward winning solid support from some tens of thousands of Floridians just like me who also have suffered abuse in TOUGHLOVE programs over the years just by publicly disclosing the real influence behind them. I doubt he will, though. I don't think he's got the sack to stand up to Betty Sembler and Charlie Crist. Like all the rest, I bet he leaves that to unfortunate children like Martin Anderson to do all alone. More likely, he shares their views and is just a little better at making it all sound so sweet and pretty.

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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2006, 12:40:00 PM »
"virtually all of his colleges"

I think you mean "colleagues" -not colleges
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2006, 01:31:00 PM »
Glad I'm not the only one for whom that sounds basically frightening.

I'd be a lot less frightened if the therapy was optional, they were focusing on education and vocational training, and there were guarantees that the inmates' mail wouldn't be fucked with.

All prisons read inmates' mail.  I get that, I get why, I'm cool with it.  But unless there's something actually criminal in the incoming or outgoing letters, they don't mess with it, and they don't read letters to and from an inmate's lawyer.

I'd be a lot less frightened if I knew each inmate would *have* a lawyer, just to have someone guaranteed to look after the inmate's interests if the system started to really fuck with them.

Or as "guaranteed" as it's possible to get in an imperfect world.

Turn out the inmates prepped for college, or as plumbers, electricians, car mechanics, HVAC repair guys, hairdressers, carpenters, heavy equipment operators, etc.---turn them out equipped to get an hold a job, and recidivism would go down.

Rehabilitation doesn't work so well for adults, but for juveniles there's a lot of room for rehabilitation to work---if they don't get out ignorant and with no opportunities and no options.

The following is just a correlational study, so it doesn't *prove* educating juvenile inmates---especially increasing their literacy---reduces recidivism, but it would be a good bet for something to try.

http://www.americanreadingforum.org/01_ ... dricks.pdf

Keep in mind that an IQ of 87 is more than enough to learn to read through a 12th grade level, if someone just takes the time to teach you.  Even people with IQs in the below average ranges can learn to read at a 12th grade level---it just takes someone having the will to help them learn.

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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2006, 01:35:00 PM »
I wonder why that's rocket science to the guys running the government:

Teach. the. kids. to. read.

Duh!

Julie
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2006, 02:13:00 PM »
It sickens me that there's a teenhelp add right under the article!

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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2006, 03:40:00 PM »
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""virtually all of his colleges"



I think you mean "colleagues" -not colleges"


Doh! Spell check is no substitute for paying attention.

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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2006, 04:00:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-25 11:13:00, 001010 wrote:

"It sickens me that there's a teenhelp add right under the article!


Well, look at the bright side. If they're going to block every site that tends not to provide commercially viable context, well then they'll have to block every newspaper in the damned country and not just Fornits.com.

Meanwhile, happy clicking!

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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2006, 04:08:00 PM »
Oh, look what else comes up!

 
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2006, 05:24:00 PM »
''Star Academies''

Isn?t that reassuring? Has a much gentler, kinder ring to it, doesn't it.


??sheriffs pointed out that their camps were not as hands-on as the Panama City camp.?

New terminology? Does ?hands on? = Physically abusive? How does DJJ plan to ensure a ?reduction? in hand on treatment?


?the Department of Juvenile Justice approved the change in name, money and policy to make them clones of Martin County's boot camp?

Clones of another ?boot camp? when committee members were calling for a ''holistic' model that emphasizes counseling and education rather than exercise and strict discipline?.

Does that imply that Martin is a model of ?holistic? treatment? Apparently so. According to Smith,  Martin ?de-emphasized military discipline and increased mental health treatment, drug counseling and aftercare and mentoring services.

How will the new boot camps (er, Academies) provide this ?wide array? of services, plus additional requirements for $100, if Martin claimed he needed $115 to operate without the new requirements?

 
?The sheriffs who run the four remaining camps in Florida -- in Martin, Manatee, Pinellas and Polk counties -- say they support the idea because they're tired of being portrayed as running juvenile gulags. ?

Aw. If the shoe fits?.


?Smith made sure the Senate's budget requires the detention facilities to have registered nurses, and he included $250,000 for more medical care for children. The House budget has no money for that. The governor recommends $3.7 million.?

What? Didn?t they didn't already have reg nurses on staff, for what good they did?


''We are eliminating boot camps as they now stand in the state of Florida completely,'' said Rep. Gus Barreiro, a Miami Beach Republican who chairs the House Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee. ``If the boot camps adopt our policies, they will be funded. If they don't want to adopt them, they won't be funded.''

Huh? Hope it doesn?t turn out that this is a public charade that Barreiro is in on? I had hope for him. We?ll see if any of the violent, sadistic, criminals that beat Anderson to death are convicted.
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2006, 06:17:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-25 11:13:00, 001010 wrote:


"It sickens me that there's a teenhelp add right under the article!




Well, look at the bright side. If they're going to block every site that tends not to provide commercially viable context, well then they'll have to block every newspaper in the damned country and not just Fornits.com.



Meanwhile, happy clicking!

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What's cool is that the same parents singing praises on the WWASPS/teenhurt website are the ones singled out as being brainwashed by Discovery seminars in the documentary film.

Have you see it yet?

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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2006, 06:31:00 PM »
All I konw is the minute I heard there was more money involved, and that new "programs" would be formed rather than sending the kids back home to their families, I knew there would be trouble. I just can't imagine that we won't be seeing more of the same. I would hope so, honestly I would, but given all we know and all we've seen, what is to make us think any differently?
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2006, 01:23:00 PM »
One part of the problem is the wild popularity of zero tolerance policies in the schools and juvenile justice. Don't think, don't get involved as a fully functioning adult. Just look at the chart and hand down whatever punishment it lists for whatever infraction, no matter how rediculous for the circumstances.

They can't just send these kids home because, by law, they're convicted juvenile delinquents who have to serve their sentences. That's got to change. But then, in order to pull back from the position that kids ta day are a dangerous mennace and we should be locking more of them up, they'd have to admit that kids ta day didn't make the mess, there are good, sound, logical reasons why so many of them are not buying in. And we, as the grown ups in this society, would have to think about fixing the real problems instead of just beating the kids into saying there are none.

So now, I don't have any great deal of faith that Martin, Pinellas and Polk counties will get it right. Especially Pinellas. That's the seat of operations for Straight, DFAF and Multijurisdictional Counterdrug Taskforce Training. These are the people hawking and training Citizens On Patrol, military equipment and training for local law enforcement and the disasterous elite taskforces that keep making headlines wherever infest a new territory.

Florida law enforcement and criminal justice is so incredibly delusional I don't expect anything different from Martin County than business as usual. Same ol'e, same ol'e. So now they have a new name, just like Seed->Straight->LIFE->Growing Together... it just goes on and on.


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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2006, 02:48:00 PM »
Luke reads the posts and begins to snarl, growl, and charge up. Anyone standing within five feet of him feels his hair standing on end.

Mother... fuckers.

They just don't learn, do they?
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2006, 04:36:00 PM »
Did I just miss it, or did they forget it would be a very good starting place to ban restraints unless the kid is *actively* an imminent danger of serious physical harm to himself of moderate or greater physical harm to someone else, to limit the kinds of restraints that are legal, to make it illegal to strike a kid, to put up webcams all over the place feeding their video data to an offsite, privately contracted storage site with no connection to the jail or the people working there, to make employees criminally liable for striking kids, for using illegal restraints, for restraining kids based on risk to property, or for restraining kids who are not being violent to themselves or others for mere non-compliance.  To make it a mandatory termination offense for employees to bait a kid in a way that escalates the situation until the kid becomes violent.  To train all employees in conflict de-escalation, in the risk to life inherent in all restraints, in when restraints are not legal, in how to do the legal restraints properly, and when restraints are legal and when they're not.

To have the nursing staff be supplied in cooperation with a local hospital, with the licensed nurses being *frequently* rotated out so that they identify their fellow nurses and doctors in the hospital as "coworkers" and the staff at the prison as prison guards who work for a different organization and *are not* their coworkers.

The prison should contract with the hospital or with a nursing temporary service, the nursing professional organization should encourage nurses and hospitals to do the contract and take the duty as a public service inherent in the profession---to protect the health of the inmates.

A good way of doing it would be to have two nurses on for six months, one T-Th-Sat, the other M-W-F-Sun.  Then rotate in another two.  Or something interspersed with normal nursing shifts so that only half of their shifts in their six month period are at the prison.

The nurses should never think of the prison staff as "us" or their employer.  Always "them" and the state itself as the contracting entity, with the hospital as the nurses' employer and signing their checks, supervising them, and doing their performance reviews, in a neutral to adversarial relationship with the guards for the protection of patient health.

1) Webcams with feeds out to offsite computer contractors and long-term (at least for the whole statute of limitations) data archival, with software detection of camera "malfunctions" leading to immediate repair and investigation.

2) Strict laws to protect the inmates from guard violence, with criminal and civil liability as well as job risk, and thorough training so they know what they're supposed to do and what they're not.

3) Arm's length, detached relationships between the medical people working in the prison and the actual prison staff.

4) Comprehensive education services that emphasize literacy to a high school level, at least, first. Then they should add in the inmate's choice of college prep or vocational training.

Instead they're putting a flashy bandaid of Same Old Shit on top of the problem.

Why am I not surprised.

Actually fixing the problems would cost money in the short term and smack of being soft on "those rotten kids."

Julie
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