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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2006, 08:04:00 PM »
Hmmm, maybe some of the Whitmore kids and/or parents should contact the makers of the French documentary and inform them of the controversy surrounding the Whitmore, a program in Utah which as I understand it, got most of their referrals from Sue Scheff of PURE.

If nothing else, send these guys an email outlining the charges against the WHITMORE owners and explaining how they (the parent) came to hear of the program and place their child in their care.

Might open their eyes up to the lucrative and UNREGULATED sub-cottage business of program referrals especially when they find out WWASPS isn't the only program who pays for referrals that result in a placement.

Somewhere on Fornits, there was a post from a student (or maybe it was a parent?) that put an estimated number on how much they thought PURE was paid by the WHITMORE for placements.  I don't remember the amount but I believe it was several thousand dollars, per kid.

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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2006, 09:56:00 PM »
Here's the email address for the French company that made the film:

Subject: Re: Documentary exposing WWASP
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:49 AM

Hi ,

After giving it a second thought, and since I'm not up-to-date as to the current status between WWASP and the production company and distribution of this title in the USA. I'd rather you direct your request directly to them. Here is their

email: eugenie.michel@zadigproductions.com
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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2006, 10:00:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-27 18:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Here's the email address for the French company that made the film:



Subject: Re: Documentary exposing WWASP

Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:49 AM



Hi ,



After giving it a second thought, and since I'm not up-to-date as to the current status between WWASP and the production company and distribution of this title in the USA. I'd rather you direct your request directly to them. Here is their



email: eugenie.michel@zadigproductions.com "


HOLD ON .. ZADIGPRODUCTIONS.COM looks like French internet domain hosting service ...

BUZZKILL .. is this the right email address?

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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2006, 10:59:00 PM »
I assume so.
Its copied directly as given.
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2006, 02:27:00 PM »
It's really doesn't talk at all about the Discovery Seminars and where they were derived from, which I wish it had. People really need to get how brainwashing works. The film just doesn't get that close to the subject and history of David Gilcrease or Landmark, which explains a lot of the psychological manipulation of the programs.
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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2006, 02:28:00 PM »
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"It's really doesn't talk at all about the Discovery Seminars and where they were derived from, which I wish it had. People really need to get how brainwashing works. The film just doesn't get that close to the subject and history of David Gilcrease or Landmark, which explains a lot of the psychological manipulation of the programs."


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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2006, 02:47:00 PM »
Well, I can see that. But what do you do w/ just one hour? And if it ever does make it out on American broadcast, what will be left even of that after all the commercial breaks and bleeped language?

I was very much impressed w/ the undercover video of the aunt trying to take her niece out of TB. I don't know that a general audience would get the full impact of that scene and all the subtle details that make it. But perhaps they'll see it w/ a friend who can explain it to them, or will be compelled to take a stab at it when their friend asks them what's so upsetting about that particular scene.

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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2006, 03:20:00 PM »
I'm certainly not complaining. I thought the film was incredibly powerful. I sat with a friend yesterday and we talked as the film ran. She had many questions to the effect of, "Why don't parents pull their kids after they know what's going on?" or "Why don't the children tell them how terrible it is?!" I had to explain that the brainwashing aspect of the program leads them to believe that they have a dependency on the program, and how powerful of a grip that truly has on it's victims. How many of the terrible things become, in the victims? minds acceptable and necessary for program completion and putting the past behind them in order to overcome their current barriers. I just think that the mind control aspect of the program is the most difficult thing to explain.  I know it?s hard for me, even twenty years later.

One hour is a short amount of time to do what they did, and they utilized it extremely well. Perhaps they are in need of a part II?

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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2006, 03:29:00 PM »
Yeah, maybe them. Maybe someone else will answer. Maybe w/ a documentary, maybe a book or a hundred of them... who knows?

I agree with you that the brainwashing aspect is the most insidious, most dangerous part of the whole thing.

And that goes to one of few criticisms I have for the way they frame the issue. It was only a tiny bit less anti-American than I had expected. I worry that people on both sides of the Atlantic will come away with the impression that we all are in on this, that we all approve and are complicit in the coverup. Nothing could be further from the truth. In a very real sense, the whole damned country is brainwashed. As we all well know, condemnation, punishment and other forms of coercion are just not the answer to that problem. That would be like throwing gas on the fire; it'll only cause the believers to circle their waggons and revel in their perceived martyrdom.

America needs to see this documentary. America damned sure has plenty to answer for. But not the crime of complicity; more like negligence.

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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2006, 03:42:00 PM »
No argument there... I'll be distributing this come April 22nd, along with Maia's book and other stuff. Thanks for the space to speak on, Eudora.  ::kiss::
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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2006, 03:46:00 PM »
What if we pick a network and write letters asking them to air it? How many letters might it take to show significant interest?


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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2006, 03:48:00 PM »
I'm game. Let's do it! They'd have to bleep out a lot though. What about independent film theaters?
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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2006, 05:49:00 PM »
Well - I have written Frontline; CNN; Niteline and 20/20.

Seems to me the American Media might be just as intetested in the first amendment issues involved as with the documentary itsself.

Might be just the hook we need.
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« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2006, 05:59:00 PM »
Personally, I think the documentary done by Monty (SELF MEDICATED) has a better chance of being seen by the public either on the big screen, television or DVD.  The French Documentary reminds me of the A&E one and also, Dateline and 48 Hours. All well done but all focusing on the "controversy" which is why viewers, however shocked they may be, aren't shocked enough to do anything about this issue because it is seen as being a LAST RESORT.

Second, it must be noted that until it's illegal for parents to kidnap their kids and ship them out the country, there is nothing to stop parents for excercising their PARENTAL RIGHTS to raise their kids any way (and anywhere) they choose, as long as it's legal.

Those who disagree are forced to go to court and persuade a judge to remove a kid based primarily on custody disagreements and/or disputes as to whether a child is at risk of maltreatment due to an existing medical condition, etc.

Frankly, I think the documentary should be seen in the U.S. but don't have high hopes we'll see the kind of outrage generated by other nations.  You have to remember, this is America where kids as young as 12-13 years old can be tried in adult court and sentenced to LIFE IN PRISON WITH NO POSSIBILTY OF PAROLE.  That is barbaric.

Only last year did the supreme court rule against the practice of executing people who committed their crimes while still a juvenile.  

The problem is systemic.  It's how we look at children who can not (or will not) behave in accordance to society's rules.  Those who come in contact with the justice system are disposed of while others who have committed no crime but back talk their parents, have sex, drink, etc., are disposed of into these programs.

THROWAWAY KIDS.  Not illegal ... just immmoral.

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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2006, 02:57:00 AM »
"Usenext" isn't applicable but do use the link next to it for "uTorrent". You need a BitTorrent program to open that torrent file and download the doco. Utorrent is free, very small and doesn't even need installation.

"It's a federal criminal offense to download films in this manner."

It is if the copyright holder decides it is.
Either way the majority of the world's internet traffic now consists of Bittorrent transfers. Illegal or not this is the norm.
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