Second Nature Wilderness Program

[Lain the Odd]

[TheWho]

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Fuck the studies.

Get me some gasoline and burn baby burn.

I am curious, though, as to how you're going to burn down a desert. >.>

^^^^ SNWP founders First and Only Human Torch Contest Day??? OH yeah baby!

Talk to me!

[Anonymous]

Anecdotal "evidence" from an anonymous program critic means nothing.  Please show CLINICAL evidence that Second Nature is abusive.  Otherwise, you're just another full-of-shit liar...

Post the evidence that proves what you're saying or shut up.

Damn right. Lots of talk, but when you ask them to back it up with evidence they come up with zilch. Keep on truckin' buddy, it sure is nice to see someone out there with a BRAIN for a change... This site is full of retards!

I never said it was abusive, although I think it is.  

But I asked you a simple question:  Where is the clinical evidence that Second Nature's "brand" of "therapy" works in any way, shape or form?

Please answer that question for me.

BTW, this anon poster is the one FKA "Wild Fig," just so you know who you're dealing with here - one of the most prolific trolls ever to grace fornits.

We are waiting for the clinical studies that show the program to be abusive.  There are some people here who claim it is.
Just provide a link

There are no studies, just stories, trust me, dont hold your breath.  Second Nature has been very successful.

They admit that there is no evidence to support that their "wildernessâ€

[Anonymous]

This “counselorâ€

[Anonymous]

To the contrary, young people who struggle after a residential program following wilderness still report that the wilderness program (Second Nature in many cases) was the one effective treatment program and that they value it highly.  College essays are written about the pride of achieving Air Phase and how their lives turned around.  Thank you notes arrive in Duchesne every day from kids who have been through the program.

[Anonymous]

To the contrary, young people who struggle after a residential program following wilderness still report that the wilderness program (Second Nature in many cases) was the one effective treatment program and that they value it highly.  College essays are written about the pride of achieving Air Phase and how their lives turned around.  Thank you notes arrive in Duchesne every day from kids who have been through the program.

Soooo...  No evidence of effectiveness then.  OK, you've conceded.  THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING THIS SHILL PROMOTES.

If a college kid writes an essay about pride resulting from "air phase" of a WT program s/he would become an instant pariah and would then understand how fucked up his/her programming has made him/her.  This is one of the most ridiculously false testimonies I've ever read.

Try again, troll bait.  This one fails the smell test.

[Anonymous]

To the contrary, young people who struggle after a residential program following wilderness still report that the wilderness program (Second Nature in many cases) was the one effective treatment program and that they value it highly.  College essays are written about the pride of achieving Air Phase and how their lives turned around.  Thank you notes arrive in Duchesne every day from kids who have been through the program.

Soooo...  No evidence of effectiveness then.  OK, you've conceded.  THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING THIS SHILL PROMOTES.

If a college kid writes an essay about pride resulting from "air phase" of a WT program s/he would become an instant pariah and would then understand how fucked up his/her programming has made him/her.  This is one of the most ridiculously false testimonies I've ever read.

Try again, troll bait.  This one fails the smell test.

Jesus. hehe, it's like a scientologist talking about reaching "enforcer level"
Troll what is your supposed employment at aspen?

[Anonymous]

I want to proclaim death to this thread. :skull:

But on the other hand, it's fairly amusing to witness the attempts claiming its "effectiveness."

[Anonymous]

But on the other hand, it's fairly amusing to witness the attempts claiming its "effectiveness."

(ie the program's effectiveness, not this thread's effectiveness)

[TheWho]

This “counselorâ€

[Anonymous]

Yes, it's about time people on this thread put up or shut up.

[Anonymous]

“GROUP FOUR!â€

[Anonymous]

This “counselorâ€

[Lain the Odd]

So the evidence to date shows no child has been abused and no children have died.  The fact that SN takes at risk kids and turns them around successfully is enough evidence of its effectiveness.
Until such time as a clinical study is done we will have to rely on first hand knowledge of the parents and children.

You mean like the firsthand accounts of I and however many others detailing abusive methods with no positive effects?

(btw I know this angry wilderness supporter is a troll, but this is making me giggle)

[TheWho]

I have read the posts, but see no evidence of abuse, please be more specific. There are thousands of kids who went through this program successfully and all you show is a story about having to go back down the hill to put food back in the bag?

You need to do better than that.