Behavior Modification/Torture

[Antigen]

On 2006-03-25 13:56:00, Anonymous wrote:


Do YOU have any idea what he's talking about?  I rather thought he said wilderness programs don't work, or at least aren't shown to work according to some government report, and that they are,at best, a waste of parental money.  He said kids should get help in their local community.  So why the hell attack him???



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I was only commenting on that bit that I quoted.

I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't
agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it
would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
--GW Büsh, CNN.com, December 18, 2000

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-26 13:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You asked me to say a little about myself, now you tell me about yourself. "

Me?  Told people, mostly.  Here you go.  Feel free to stop reading whenever you get bored. :lol:

Graduated from Georgia Tech with a BS in Psych.  Degree program was intended to train further researchers and consultants for industry, not clinicians.  Degree program focused on math and rigorous science, not clinical practice.

Since graduation in 1990, hobby of criminology and keeping up with the research on major mental illness.

39, mother of a ten year old with some special needs.  Had problems navigating the bureaucracy with the school last year.  Took a course that explained the bureaucracy and greatly improved working relationship with the school. Very lucky that this year the school is wonderful.

Sometime tutor of the occasional kid that needs it and would otherwise be outta luck.

Worked as a database programmer for five years.

New York Times bestselling author.  I write science fiction.  First two books have a female James Bond kind of feel.  First book already in print, next two books on contract with Baen Books.

Moderate a web forum of same.

Brown belt in Tae Kwon Do.  Three years of Hapkido, which means I know a lot of the joint locks used to restrain belligerently violent people.

Husband shoots highpower rifle competitively.  I like to tag along to practice sessions at the range and plink with pistols.  Favorite targets are the steel plates.  They give a very satisfying *ping!* when you knock them over.

Suburban housewife---working from home writing books means I'm home to take care of Katie, which because of special needs she needs.

I also have bipolar disorder, with a heavy family history of it and related problems, and Katie has pediatric bipolar disorder, which is why I pay so much attention to the research.

Supporter of CABF (Children and Adolescent Bipolar Foundation).

Rape and abusive relationship survivor.

Enough of a wild child in high school that some of these program parents would have sent me to be locked up.

Advocate of quality, professional humane, safe, effective, and fairly priced mental health care in the least restrictive setting.  For patients of any and all ages.

Believer of the medical model, with heavy genetic risk factors, in major mental illness.

There you have it---my life story.

Oh, and I also have a medium-sized dog named Polly who I dote on.

Julie

[Deborah]

A little BM  :lol: humor

Young Justin has a cursing problem, and his father is getting tired of it. So he decides to ask a shrink what to do. The shrink says, "Negative reinforcement.

Since Christmas is coming up, ask Justin what he wants from Santa. If he curses while he tells you his wish list, leave a pile of dog poop in place of each gift he requests."
 
Two days before Christmas, Justin's father asked him what he wants for Christmas. "I want a damn teddy bear lying beside me when I wake up. When I go downstairs, I want to see a damn train going around the damn tree. And when I go outside, I want to see a damn bike leaning up against the damn garage."
 
On Christmas morning, Justin wakes up and rolls into a pile of dog poop. Confused, he walks downstairs and sees another pile under the tree. He walks outside, looks at a huge pile of dog poop by the garage, and walks inside. His dad smiles and asks, "What did Santa bring you this year?"
 
Justin replies, "I think I got a damn dog, but I can't find the son of a bitch!"

[Troll Control]

The marketing of these programs is extremly dangerous because their are no inpectors and it is easy for a parent to make the mistake of sending a child into an unscrupulous program. Physical challanges will do harm to a percentage of those who go. Family therapy, and community mental health have evidence based research that suggest they are better alternatives.

Spot on commentary.

did spend some time reviewing the literature including reading the evidence that the Wilderness Therapy Association provided. There is not one study with a control group. So fundamentally they have absolutely no evidence that wilderness therapy changes behavior.

And again.

Now it's time to go on Woodbury's parent forum and tell them that the evidence suggests that the parents are wasting their money. I wonder how long it will be before he kicks me off.

Exactly one post.

Thanks for your thoughtful postings.  It's nice to see some rational, reasonable, evidence-based statements about an industry that is run on lies, half-truths, mis- and disinformation, faith and hope.

All those industry claims and a dollar-fifty will get you on the A Train.

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"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-04-02 06:11 ]

[Badpuppy]

Thank you Julie for responding to my request for information. From now on I will be using the moniker badpuppy.  This website performs an invaluable service, because it is a wealth of information. Maia Szalavitz's outlook on BM and mine coincide about 100%.  I am sure that we will be agreeing quite a bit. Best of luck with your daughter. The supreme court has made it much more difficult for parents to get children the services they need because the burden of proof is now on the parent to prove the need for services.

[Nihilanthic]

On 2006-04-02 08:14:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Since when has logic had anything to do with what goes on over at struggling turkeys?

The worst government is the most moral. One composed of cynics
is often very tolerant and human. But when fanatics are on top,
there is no limit to oppression.

--H.L. Mencken

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Nothing! Lon's put a lockdown on criticism, any sort of critical thinking, or open discussion of any program, and instead its full of generalized nonsense, emotion and feeling based crap and punch-drunk buzzwords and boilerplate on the parts of the authority figures (no fornits links, as they bash programs without accountability!) and the victim-wannabe parents.

 :roll:

[Badpuppy]

Be fair to Lon, it is only appropriate that his diatribe against the use of punishment be placed next to his glowing 1994 review of Paradise Cove

[Antigen]

Translation of Lon's editorial: "Ok now, everybody, from now on we call them wilderness programs! Boot camps don't exist in the private sector. Pass it on..."

Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.

--Mark Twain