Regarding the Protest

[Dr Fucktard]

Sammie, you're arguing with a fictional character.   ::hehehmm::  :evil:

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-05 07:32:00, Woof-a-Doof wrote:


"Anon who suggested that we block traffic at the event. Pughleeze! I am a grown ass man, and fortunately most of us here are also grown ass adults. To simply taunt the cops by blocking traffic, so maybe three cars can read the signs before we would be carted off to jail?that is just plain foolish.  It would be at that time the police show up in force and it becomes a ?story?. Think about it?that kinda story is counterproductive, especially at that particular venue, with that particular audience. The spin on that would be footage of one of use being thrown into a wagon a taken to Orient Road.

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not meant as a tactic for the holocaust museum protest. is effective at times and a worthy protest tactic which is why it is done. check out some write ups on the Seattle protests a few years back against the IMF World Bank. many tactics, many groups, many things done at once for different motivations but united against one thing, and it was bloody well effective. props and kudos to all parties. but yeah bloody hell ain't ever gonna be more than a few people at protests, U.S. is too fat and lazy to take up for anything other than football and scratching thy holy balls. rome falls and good riddance. that's an egg on. wink.

[Anonymous]

Word!

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Props to Dr. Fucktard! :tup:

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-05 07:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"From the start you should by now that I'm for violence. I think Melvin and his cronies should all be bludgeoned or at least more highly embarassed. Short of doing that, we all know he will never be behind bars so there is no real way to make him and his actually pay for what he did except by embarassing him. He's a crafty old fuck.



I started this post. I had a really wonderful time speaking to Melvin's son the other day on the phone. His son's number was listed on the internet white pages. By now he's probably changed his number or started screening his calls and the phone conversation did not last that long.



"Hello, I'm looking for Melvin Sembler."



"Umm, you have the wrong..."



"May I speak with Melvin?"



"He's my father (squeaky voice)."



"Oh. (slight pause) May I speak with Betty Sembler?...".



(longer pause and then I could tell the phone was about to be put down).



"...Hey. Didn't Melvin and Betty get in trouble for being pedophiles a long time ago?!?"



"(with whining and shock in his voice) What?"

 

"At that place called Straight?"



(Click).



My suggestion is to make these things more organized and bite and tear at those things Melvin loves by manipulating them. Why not join the NAACP or the Jewish Religious community, show up in one of those Jewish hats next time you protest. Woof, I will never forget your post about Dion, we had some of the same racial discrimination when I was in Straight. Meet Melvin and the creators of Straight Inc. right on their own turfs and creations. Just like Mike meeting Miller with an outstanding and impenetrable, and embarassing for Newton, land rebuttal against Miller's church thingie.



Be unified.



If Melvin is advocating  Holocaust proportions, we are in the right way by stating ours is a holocaust. Hell, I'll starve myself and bring out a blue fucking chair in front of their next protest and let you actually beat me to show what they did to us. That is how serious I take all of this.



If Melvin is coordinated and sick about his efforts, then we should at least look as coordinated. If he has pictures, we should have pictures. If he has attendees who are Jewish, we should look jewish so wear one of those hats (parka?) and join a jewish group or the NAACP of some kind or other affiliated and concerned groups. It takes only one person to become really gay about getting organized and truly matching shit up. If you have two people to get organized and club up, well you got yourself a club. But if you got three and the mode is right, well there's not much you cannot do. And when you protest, three is more than enuff if its going to really strike home.



I have received alot of hell because I believe in meeting violence with violence, but I still think it is the only way to show what happened. Meet organization with synergistic similarity.



At the one and only protest I actually went to I was chastized for speaking at Melvin's grandchildren that their grandfather is a pedophile. When I say pedophile I have created my own definition; meaning anyone who prospers or gains from children by abuse as well as sexually, monetarily, or other. For me, I went beyond making Sembler's donatees more apt to donate more money that very night; I really felt that I had done a real disservice to Sembler by getting to his family by legal means with phone call and letting his close relatives know that he's a child abuser, more than letting the public know. They know.



We are a part of the abuse, we are not above it in my opinion. I am not stating that what I have given as options to reaching any goal that lets the world know him and his are truly worthless and should be put down is empirical or ultimate. I hope that what I have shared, at least some of it, can be put to use.



One way to look organized is to wear the exact same outfits while protesting, same shoes same shirts, same hair in hat, or same organizational club that you should get involved in. This is because might makes right even if it ain't right, a key that Melvin used to squeeze out millions from broken families. If everyone wears a parka and becomes members of some jewish outfit, you are thereby stating that you are truly debunking his child abuse at his own level, one option among those that I have stated.



That's the fear we put in organization. Melvin, I sort of imagine, uses it to help get more money donated. Could we have someone in the Holocaust Museum actually on our side? I know a relative of a friend who is on that board we could speak to, as long as you don't fuck it up and do it my way with caution.



I have a more general idea that violence, once it reaches a really high level, becomes funny and organized. Once you see so much violence you become numb to it, it becomes a joke. Like that movie Sin City -- there's a lot of humor in that movie, and not the one liners though there are alot of good ones in there, but the sheer amount of violence in that film makes it damned near hilarious and unbelievable. There are ways I think to fake that amount of violence and possibly assist in getting Sembler ousted from that office. I think its called propaganda. That's the goal of protesting at that Museum right?



If you had someone close enough to Melvin to call him a pedophile and manage to get a little spittle on the poor sod, well his mood might be caught by those around him who might wake up and smite his penispumpinass. longshot."

ha. i llike it.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-09 08:33:00, sammiegirl wrote:

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On 2006-03-03 01:06:00, Anonymous wrote:



"Call it a breakdown, call it paranoia:







I was watching the Straight Protest videos, the new ones. I hear Sammie saying things like, "you children, you're all vulnerable. No food, no choice, etc..."







While I'm an against everything that Sembler has done, would be a counterproductive measure to actually show people about 'concentration camp-like' behaviors for a Straight holocaust during a Jewish Holocaust Museum event?









I mean, it just kinda seems like maybe a different approach could be done? Umm, what about, umm, bashing their children's cars in or throwing rocks at their house windows? What about passing out flyers to people who do real estate business with Sembler and other businesses of Loebenberg? I don't know what other methods there are out there.







I guess I'm maybe also just wondering if anyone doesn't see the correlation between free advertising of Straight and Jewish "Holocaust". Are we certain that the mental picture people aren't getting is to further fund the Holocaust Museum? That's all I was asking."

If quitting drugs means joining the war on terrorism, does this portend the fire bombing of Amsterdamn ?



--Felton Manifestation

I appreciate your input and respect your feelings. As I stated at the demonstration I said "I am not here to protest the museum or deny the holocaust.. I am here to inform you that MEL et al are the ones who facilitated my torture." I in no way want to disrespect the others who attended but I do want them to know that Mel Sembler was and still is STRAIGHT INCORPORATED and that he profited off the BLOOD of MANY CHILDREN.

If I hurt the feelings of others I apologise. I can not apologise for my actions at the benifit dinner though. It should be the museum who apologises to US[ This Message was edited by: sammiegirl on 2006-03-09 08:44 ]"

No need to apologize Sammie. You did right. The protest in itself is very helpful and they always do the work they need to do. The questions are simple that I put in the original post here.

Have we accomplished ousting Sembler from the board of directors?

What are some other methods we could use to become more organized and sick like his methods?

Have we effectively and flawlessly conveyed to the public who this pedophile, his family, and his friends are and what they did at Straight? Do we strike fear and embarassment to him?

I really doubt you could do more than what you are doing Sammie. The real question is within improving on what we're already doing and what other things that could be done that we have, up to now, considered taboo.

I believe in starting wars for the sake of wars especially against a public child abuser, I believe in fucking the pedophile who fucked in the exact same ways.

Personally I think it is not out of the question to be asking these questions, we are dealing with someone who was and still is out of control about kids. He and his wife need to be stopped in their tracks with the child abuse. Perhaps they would like it if we begin to grind at their family and their jobs and schoolhouses like they did to our families.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-12 00:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-03-09 08:33:00, sammiegirl wrote:


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On 2006-03-03 01:06:00, Anonymous wrote:





"Call it a breakdown, call it paranoia:











I was watching the Straight Protest videos, the new ones. I hear Sammie saying things like, "you children, you're all vulnerable. No food, no choice, etc..."











While I'm an against everything that Sembler has done, would be a counterproductive measure to actually show people about 'concentration camp-like' behaviors for a Straight holocaust during a Jewish Holocaust Museum event?














I mean, it just kinda seems like maybe a different approach could be done? Umm, what about, umm, bashing their children's cars in or throwing rocks at their house windows? What about passing out flyers to people who do real estate business with Sembler and other businesses of Loebenberg? I don't know what other methods there are out there.











I guess I'm maybe also just wondering if anyone doesn't see the correlation between free advertising of Straight and Jewish "Holocaust". Are we certain that the mental picture people aren't getting is to further fund the Holocaust Museum? That's all I was asking."

If quitting drugs means joining the war on terrorism, does this portend the fire bombing of Amsterdamn ?





--Felton Manifestation

I appreciate your input and respect your feelings. As I stated at the demonstration I said "I am not here to protest the museum or deny the holocaust.. I am here to inform you that MEL et al are the ones who facilitated my torture." I in no way want to disrespect the others who attended but I do want them to know that Mel Sembler was and still is STRAIGHT INCORPORATED and that he profited off the BLOOD of MANY CHILDREN.


If I hurt the feelings of others I apologise. I can not apologise for my actions at the benifit dinner though. It should be the museum who apologises to US[ This Message was edited by: sammiegirl on 2006-03-09 08:44 ]"

No need to apologize Sammie. You did right. The protest in itself is very helpful and they always do the work they need to do. The questions are simple that I put in the original post here.



Have we accomplished ousting Sembler from the board of directors?



What are some other methods we could use to become more organized and sick like his methods?



Have we effectively and flawlessly conveyed to the public who this pedophile, his family, and his friends are and what they did at Straight? Do we strike fear and embarassment to him?



I really doubt you could do more than what you are doing Sammie. The real question is within improving on what we're already doing and what other things that could be done that we have, up to now, considered taboo.



I believe in starting wars for the sake of wars especially against a public child abuser, I believe in fucking the pedophile who fucked in the exact same ways.



Personally I think it is not out of the question to be asking these questions, we are dealing with someone who was and still is out of control about kids. He and his wife need to be stopped in their tracks with the child abuse. Perhaps they would like it if we begin to grind at their family and their jobs and schoolhouses like they did to our families."

"MEL et al" ?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-07 17:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-03-05 08:20:00, Frank Discussion wrote:


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If Melvin is advocating Holocaust proportions, we are in the right way by stating ours is a holocaust. Hell, I'll starve myself and bring out a blue fucking chair in front of their next protest and let you actually beat me to show what they did to us. That is how serious I take all of this.

Yeah, sure we're in the right..but hell why bother with such a risqu?comparison? Why not just show people what happened to us and leave it at that? That should be more than enough! And yes, I'm with ya on that blue chair demonstration thing! That's a great idea! You sit in the chair, and I'll beat you, ok? :lol: "

It was just an example, but yeah ... okay ... I will do it. I saw that re enactment Ray did for chair and floor restraint. We could re enact that, we could hold a rap right in front of the Holocaust Museum, stage some very realistic looking confrontation and violence to make people wake the fuck up, put a small Straight Inc. sign by our demonstration and hell, you can just beat the holy living fuck out of me. I would like that very much if it proves a point.



There are other things one can do besides protesting in order to get that pedophile ousted from the board."

You know,I suggested just THAT,back when they were planning demonstrating at Mel Sembler's house.Re Create a group session,motivation and all,right in front of his house.Nobody thought it was a good idea then,so why should they take your suggestion seriously now?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-09 09:12:00, sammiegirl wrote:

"No its not. And I dare you to prove otherwise. I NEVER MENTIONED MONTEL NOT ONCE!!!! I Know for a fact I didnt.

I said BEATEN STARVED AND RAPED. NOTHING ABOUT MONTEL!!

Men had better be without education than be educated by their rulers.

--Thomas Hodgskin

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You talk about your beloved "Montel" in your sleep,Honey!
Can I have your autograph?Don't write it,just wipe the paper on your scab infested crotch.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-04 12:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-03-03 16:49:00, Woof-a-Doof wrote:


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On 2006-03-03 07:23:00, Anonymous wrote:



"they were living, breathing holocaust victims passing out flyers. they might as well have been hired by the semblers. that protest was dumb as shit. it was a "sammie parade" and was disgusting. i heard her asking "did you see me on montel?"

Ok, thanks for your opinion. I, for one, am up for hearing an alternative to the "protest" idea. Seriously, I would like to hear an effective method of explaining how enraged we are, to a group of people who justify the actions of the Semblers by implying that they were "doing whats right for the kids".





How do you suggest we relay this message to folks that have no clue as to the damage created by "tough love" bullshit. Yet they feel strongly justified in hidding behind this thin veil of delusion. How do we vent our rage at the abuses without sounding/looking like lunatics?





Can we set aside our personalities, our individual disagreements. Could we go beyond our general intolerance of each other and set our sights on a plan of action?





We have our work cut out for us to achieve this (admittedly) lofty ideal. During such time as we find the answers to these questions and many others similar to them, doing nothing just further buries the history/past. We become passivistic and their arrogance only grows and strengthens.





Aside from numbers (there are many of us)a clear, consistant approach is required to obtain and maintan the public or targets interest. Shock and Awe techinques for what they are worth are ok, but the message is forgotten. The eyes will go to the body of the messanger and thier words fall on the wayside.





Yeah, I think alot can and could/should be different in efforts made to educate the public of the Semblers behavior. Perhaps if you were there, you too could have been a contributing factor during the evenings event. But alas, you weren't there, only here to besmirch the efforts of those there.





Perhaps thats a bit harsh, but seriously, what would you suggest, that would improve our efforts. What words of encouragement can you add that will help? "

block traffic, dumbass."

Its kind of difficult to block traffick with 4 PEOPLE!
And anyway,who wants to show up to protest and have to be the 5th wheel,standing next to Mike Sherman the child abuser (whew,did you get a look at THAT guy?Looks like a 7th Day Adventist Recruiter or Jehovah's Witness)or drama queen Sammie "Did You See Me On Montel" Monroe.I mean REALLY,no wonder nobody else shows up at these things.

[teachback]

Perhaps they would like it if we begin to grind at their family and their jobs and schoolhouses like they did to our families.

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