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« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2006, 03:29:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-15 06:33:00, Anonymous wrote:



"The horse program is actually coming along nicely.  Four horses have been purchased and the barn is just about ready."







As of February 1 there was no barn, no horses, no nothing.





Keep in mind that this is nothing more than an advertising gimmick.  There is no such thing as "equine therapy."  This is designed for the sole purpose of pitching to wealthy marks that their kid can learn horsemanship while at HLA.





I personally happen to know a great deal about the horse business having been raised on one of the most successful Arabian farms in the northeast, and I can tell you that four horses is woefully inadequate to provide meaningful interaction for 150 kids.  

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But will it hurt?  Why the sour grapes? Is there a child-to-horse ratio requirment we are not aware of?  

So you grew up with horses who wore turbines, these may be compasionate horses who may help a few of the kids.
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« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2006, 03:50:00 PM »
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So you grew up with horses who wore turbines, these may be compasionate horses who may help a few of the kids.


Yeah, the horses have the same qualifications/licenses/certifications as the counselors/teachers so maybe they'll do a better job.

"Compassionate horses"?  What are you on?

Aside from the absurdity of your post, have you ever read any studies about "animal therapy" (equine, dolphin, dog, etc)?  It's a load of garbage and totally, completely ineffective.

What ever happened to real therapy delivered by real therapists and not hacks/quacks and horses?  Isn't that the question you should be asking?
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« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2006, 06:35:00 PM »
(Im sorry but....I cant help myself.........)

"horses who wore turbines"...

Turbines??? The horses wore a water powered mechanical device????

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« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2006, 07:09:00 PM »
I think he intended it as a racial slur... Arabian horses.... turbans... lacking "compassion".
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« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2006, 07:22:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-23 12:06:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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"Auction includes a visit with your child."




This place is f*cked up."


Hmm. Takes an act of congress to get a kid out to attend their grandfather's funeral, but can have a weekend if you make a donation? What's wrong with that picture?
Why not just auction time slots. Highest bidders get to see their kids.
Oh, may not get any bids.
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« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2006, 07:43:00 PM »
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"I think he intended it as a racial slur... Arabian horses.... turbans... lacking "compassion". "


Yeah, I was thinking of horses with little propeller beanies on.
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« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2006, 08:29:00 PM »
Of course its theraputic whats the matter with you people?

Using the children as slave labor to build a horse program at a school none of them attend and none of them are allowed to use is theraputic!

Only more so by the fact that the horses are in fact mechanical.
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« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2006, 10:18:00 AM »
Has HLA advertised this as Equine Therapy?  My understanding was that they were actually making a point of telling the parents that this is not Equine Therapy, instead it is just another activity to offer the students.  Can someone post something on here where they have seen HLA try to sell this as Equine Therapy?
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« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2006, 10:24:00 AM »
Do you have anything official you can post to that effect?
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« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2006, 12:32:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-24 07:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Has HLA advertised this as Equine Therapy?  My understanding was that they were actually making a point of telling the parents that this is not Equine Therapy, instead it is just another activity to offer the students.  Can someone post something on here where they have seen HLA try to sell this as Equine Therapy?"


Anything to detract from the issue huh?

Can you explain why students were used as slave labor to create this program?

Can you explain why they are forced to make a program at a school they dont attend?

Can you explain why many many promises have been made almost nothing exist to call this a program and only four horses have been purchased.
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« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2006, 03:09:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-24 07:18:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Has HLA advertised this as Equine Therapy?  My understanding was that they were actually making a point of telling the parents that this is not Equine Therapy, instead it is just another activity to offer the students.  Can someone post something on here where they have seen HLA try to sell this as Equine Therapy?"




Anything to detract from the issue huh?



Can you explain why students were used as slave labor to create this program?



Can you explain why they are forced to make a program at a school they dont attend?



Can you explain why many many promises have been made almost nothing exist to call this a program and only four horses have been purchased. "


I am not trying to distract.  I am just wondering why people are calling this an Equine Therapy program, if HLA is not calling it that.

Slave Labor-  What specifically were they having to do?  My understanding is that if they want to work with the horses, they have to be involved with all parts of it.  Grooming, cleaning, riding.  It is all voluntary.

I also understand that they were using the MBA property because there were already structures there that could be used for a stable, instead of having to wait for the builders to put one on HLA's property.  It got the kids riding faster.  

I don't think I am stating anything untrue.  DJ?  Do you see anything untrue about these statements?
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« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2006, 04:42:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-24 12:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I am not trying to distract.  I am just wondering why people are calling this an Equine Therapy program, if HLA is not calling it that.

Slave Labor-  What specifically were they having to do?  My understanding is that if they want to work with the horses, they have to be involved with all parts of it.  Grooming, cleaning, riding.  It is all voluntary.

I also understand that they were using the MBA property because there were already structures there that could be used for a stable, instead of having to wait for the builders to put one on HLA's property.  It got the kids riding faster.  

I don't think I am stating anything untrue.  DJ?  Do you see anything untrue about these statements?"


I dont know if HLA is calling it "equine therapy" or not. Either way though they have sought donations for it for years and little has been accomplished.

Why?

The law is being broken when kids are forced to do maintaince or construction. Hence slave labor.

As for the site being at MBA...are the parents aware of this? Theyve been shelling out all this cash for an almost non existent program and when its all said and done the program is being built at another property. One where the inmates dont live. Will HLA bus them to MBA everytime one of them wants to ride a horse? What about the fact that MBA's future is at this point doubtful? Will Buchi hang onto the property without developing it simply for a barn?

You let me know and please pick out a user name and tell us your connection to HLA.

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« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2006, 04:43:00 PM »
My apologies the last post was mine.
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« Reply #58 on: May 25, 2006, 09:03:00 AM »
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I am not trying to distract. I am just wondering why people are calling this an Equine Therapy program, if HLA is not calling it that.

HLA has advertised the hiring of an "equine therapist."  To me this means "equine therapy."  I don't know how the're spinning it to parents, but from past experience I can only guess that they tell each individual parent or agency whatever they want to hear at the moment, true or not.

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Slave Labor- What specifically were they having to do? My understanding is that if they want to work with the horses, they have to be involved with all parts of it. Grooming, cleaning, riding. It is all voluntary.

Kids and staff from HLA were used to improve the MBA property.  

There's a couple of issues here.  One, using the kids as labor for material improvement of the owner's property is in violation of their accreditation requirements and ORS regulation.  

Two, use of employees from a not-for-profit company and the attendees of the program to improve privately owned property for the material benefit of it's owner is illegal.

In addition, I've have been told by parents that their children were forced to do the work and it was not voluntary (in either case it's still illegal).

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I also understand that they were using the MBA property because there were already structures there that could be used for a stable, instead of having to wait for the builders to put one on HLA's property. It got the kids riding faster.

They're using MBA property because there was a chicken coop that they converted into a barn using free labor of kids and staff that are paid by HLA.  Again, illegal.

They could not build on the HLA property (which was the original plan) because they have not made payment on their loans and construction contracts and cannot borrow any money or hire a contractor to do the work because of bad credit, bad payment history and outstanding lawsuits demanding payment for services.

The "riding program" is still not running, but the hurried construction and purchasing of horses was simply for the benefit of visiting Ed Cons on the "Dogwood Tour" to allay their concerns of HLA's financial viability and rampant allegations (and documented proof) from former employees about abuse and neglect, including soaking up largesse from gullible parents while simultaneously cutting services to the bone and placement of violent criminals (rapists, batterers and pedophiles) into the program by the owner (to name just a few).

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DJ? Do you see anything untrue about these statements?


Yes, I certainly do.
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« Reply #59 on: May 25, 2006, 12:30:00 PM »
The therapist , was an instructor from Ridge Creek that got tired of the work.

the money they put into improving MBA land would have went a long way to buidling at HLA?

since when is ok to collect donations for years for a chapel then change it to convocation center? is this a marketing ploy?

I understand the pool can not get C/O due to septic system failing, so donations for that for the kids NOT to use it,?
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