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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2006, 09:13:00 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2006, 03:10:00 PM »
I'm really bored today so I been spending some time going over the HLA web site and came up with a few questions. I'll start with this one and if it gets answered I'll continue. The staff listing says there are 120 staff there. I was like damn, this is only one facility. How many kids are there?

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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2006, 07:23:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-06 12:10:00, odie wrote:

"I'm really bored today so I been spending some time going over the HLA web site and came up with a few questions. I'll start with this one and if it gets answered I'll continue. The staff listing says there are 120 staff there. I was like damn, this is only one facility. How many kids are there?

Fresh beauty opens one's eyes wherever it is really seen, but the very abundance and completeness of the common beauty that besets our steps prevents its being absorbed and appreciated. It is a good thing, therefore, to make short excursions now and then to the bottom of the sea among dulse and coral, or up among the clouds on mountain-tops, or in balloons, or even to creep like worms into dark holes and caverns underground, not only to learn something of what is going on in those out-of-the-way places, but to see better what the sun sees on our return to common everyday beauty.
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Oh, around 130.
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2006, 09:39:00 AM »
OK so thats almost 1 staff per kid, which is utterly amazing. My next question is how this place is funded and how much per day do they get for each kid?

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2006, 09:45:00 AM »
At last check it was $5700.00 per month plus $1300.00 for uniforms.  All tuition is paid by the parents who often get educational loans to cover the costs.
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2006, 09:49:00 AM »
Also,
Insurance will sometimes cover the therapy.
Local school systems are also picking up the tab in some states now.
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2006, 10:06:00 AM »
This is where its starting to get to be fun for me . Is HLA non profit or for profit. :idea:

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2006, 10:09:00 AM »
FOR PROFIT.

There is also controversy surrounding insurance payments for HLA, as it is an unlicensed RTC and registered as a "traditional boarding school."
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2006, 11:34:00 PM »
I'll answer some questions. I was in peer group 37.
Restrictions:
-What kind of work did you do? Shoveling gravel, moving gravel to pave the road around the lake, moving logs, moving bricks from one place to another and then back, PT, Running Hills (if you've been there you know the one).. PT before lunch, diggin, planting flowers/trees, misc work.
-Did you ever do any maintenance work (repairing buildings/filling potholes/landscaping)? Yes see above, landscaping mostly. Oh and I have pictures of us shoveling the gravel around the road.
-How long were you on restrictions each time? Hmm I'd have to look but ranging from 3 days to a week or more. I tried to answer with what i knew i was supposed to.
-What did your diet consist of while on restrictions? in the AM: Small package of cereal, two small milk containers, one fruit (apple, banana maybe orange), at lunch if you were a meat eater you got 3 sandwiches( piece of bread and maybe two pieces of meat and a piece of bread) water, and soup. If you did not eat meat  you got chese sandwiches. Dinner is the same as lunch. There might have been some fruit at dinner.
-Did you do meaningless work like moving rockpiles? Yes moving them from place to place.
-Did you ever perform services that directly enriched staff (cutting wood for their homes, etc) No
-How was your schooling handled while on restrictions? (HLA claims academics to be its primary purpose) That can not be true. I was ahead in all of my classes when I arrived. There was one math teacher and one science teacher who tried to teach but my other classes were like study hall but with very little direction. Furthermore I left the "program" before it was over because I turned 18 and did not receive full credits for the "classes" I took and had to repeat a year of scool.
-What about forced exercise? What kind/how much? In the morning if your shir was not tucked in or no belt or not uniformed correctly you either had to run or do push ups. Before lunch maybe 10-20 minutes, running, jumping jacks, flutter kicks, push ups. After school PT or work activites. PT is similar to lunch but extended maybe 1 hour or more. All times depending on student particiaption, attitued, and staff mood.
* Back then Ort ran Restrictions and we did have Fall-Out..

Your education:
-Did you earn a high school diploma while at HLA? No did not receive full credits for "classes"
-How many hours each day did you attend classes? hmm.. maybe start 8:30-9:00 untill lunch which was like 45 min or so and then school was untill 3 or 4
-Were you ever removed from class and forced to exercise during school time? No but forced to stand in the hall facing the wall
-What was the quality of HLA's study program? Way below my prior and school and the schoo i graduated from
-What percentage is "self-study"? Depends on what you are trying to study. I had fun "learning" french self-study
* We had six classes - I had study hall and independant study French 2 -the teacher was qualified to teach spanish 1 &2. My requirement for the class was to read a book by a french author (book is in english)

The program:
-Describe "realizations." If I am remembering realizations were what you did before your peer group moved up a level? This was like a long group therapy session.. very cheesy..
-Were you ever forced to confess any "misdeeds" under the threat of punishment? It sure felt that way. I was on restriction and as a requirement for getting off restrictions there were "writing assignments" I was required to answer.  
-Were you ever punished as a group for the mistake of an individual? Yes, this was the typical practice especially on restrictions if one person refused to do the push ups (or whatever) everyone else would do them untill the person who refused agreed to do them. This would also happen if there was something they wanted to confess to, the group would be punished to get the individual to confess.
-Talk about the seminars. Were you sleep deprived? Exercised to exhaustion? Deprived of regular meals and hydration? There were times on restriction when we were not permitted to get water (and sometimes we needed it)
-Were you ever told you needed to be "broken down and rebuilt"? not in that way
-Did counselors ever curse at you or demean you by calling you vulgar names? Did they do this to all the kids (slut/whore/asshole, etc)? not in my personal experience

* When I arrived I my peer group was not complete. I had to wait untill my group was complete to have my "time count" towards my home visits. When "forming" you can't check books out of the library, go off campus and have other restrictions.

Any answers you can give to these questions will help shed light on the business being run down there in Dahlonega. Please take some time to address these points so that parents who are considering sending their child into the care of HLA can see what really happens there.

Obviously their employees troll this board relentlessly with mis- and disinformation designed to steer everyone away from the important questions posed above.
* To the people who might try to say it is not so: I kept a journal every day I was there and kept everything I could (although have not yet been able to get my writing assignments back). It is true.

Thank you for doing your part to educate prospective customers of these scam artists.
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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2006, 12:10:00 AM »
How enlightening.

Im sure the puppets will jump at the chance to call you a liar.

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« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2006, 08:24:00 AM »
5950 tuiton and 1400 uniform, 600 computer
testing 1750

medical trips 94

hla does NOT accept insurance payments from Insurance companies, Those are paid directly to the parents and HLA does not have information as to who is getting what insurance checks

HLA is a non profit, look them up 501 c 3 corporation listed with IRS , thier 990 is public documents that can not be denied if you request a copy, many sites on net will display this form for public veiwing

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« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2006, 09:39:00 AM »
Robbing Peter to pay Paul...same thing. HLA lets parents know they can go this route and will be happy to accept that money as tuition. Now what kind of traditional boarding school tuition can be written off under medical insurance?

Also are you sure you want to claim HLA is a non for profit entity?

Be sure first before you get schooled.

Also are you a current employee there? If so maybe while youre here you can answer a few questions for us.
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« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2006, 09:52:00 AM »
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"5950 tuiton and 1400 uniform, 600 computer

testing 1750



medical trips 94



hla does NOT accept insurance payments from Insurance companies, Those are paid directly to the parents and HLA does not have information as to who is getting what insurance checks



HLA is a non profit, look them up 501 c 3 corporation listed with IRS , thier 990 is public documents that can not be denied if you request a copy, many sites on net will display this form for public veiwing



 :eek: "

This is not true.  HLA is registered as two separate corporate entities.  One is called "HLA, Inc." and the other is called "Hidden Lake Academy, Inc."  I'm not completely sure, but this may be illegal.

See this exerpt fron their "Dun & Bradstreet"
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BUSINESS BACKGROUND
HISTORY
----------------------------------------------------------------------
CORPORATE AND BUSINESS REGISTRATIONS REPORTED BY THE SECRETARY
OF STATE OR OTHER OFFICIAL SOURCE AS OF 02/07/2006:
BUSINESS TYPE: CORPORATION - DATE INCORPORATED: 08/03/1994
PROFIT STATE OF INCORP: GEORGIA


04/11/05
LEONARD A BUCCELLATO, PRES
DIRECTOR(S): THE OFFICER(S)
Business started Aug 1994 by officers. 100% of capital stock is
owned by president.
LEONARD A BUCCELLATO. 1994 to present active here.
OPERATIONS
04/11/05 Operates as a boarding school for ages 13-18 (100%).
Revenue is derived from tuition. Sells to the general public.


So, you can plainly see that HLA is a for profit company with no shareholders and a single controlling entity, the little general.  

Whichever staff person posted the previous information is lying intentionally to cover up the fact that HLA is a money-making cash cow.

What I don't understand is why the lap dogs continue trying to hide things for their boss when they don't even get a share of the profits.  Instead they get reduced benefits, cuts in vacation time and "promised" future one percent raises.

Maybe instead of putting up all this misleading, untruthful junk, you should start looking for an honest job where you aren't required to be unethical as a condition of continuing employment.

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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2006, 10:04:00 AM »
Will never happen.
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« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2006, 11:30:00 AM »
The "non-profit" HLA is owned by the boyfriend.  It makes no claims to work with, treat, or educate children.  It looks like a "phony" to throw people off the money trail.

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HLA, INC.
A DOMESTIC NON-PROFIT COMPANY

ADDRESS:
2964 PEACHTREE RD NW STE 450
ATLANTA , GA 303054927  
 
CEO:
KENNETH SPOONER  CFO:
KENNETH SPOONER  
SEC:
KENNETH SPOONER  REGISTERED AGENT & OFFICE:
MARTIN G. QUIRK
2964 PEACHTREE RD., STE. 450
ATLANTA , GA 30305  
Date of last annual registration
Status
Status Date : 01/26/2005
: ACTIVE/OWES CURRENT YEAR AR
: 06/14/2003  
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