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« Reply #75 on: January 25, 2006, 03:01:00 AM »
You almost made it.

Okay let's discuss some of the comments you made which I personally take issue with.

I will say that as you have to this point remained respectful I will do the same.


>>>>>>>Other than that one incident there have been no other times in recent memory that drugs have been on campus. On the rare occasion, however, they do get onto campus. <<<<<<<

What is the definition of "recent memory"? Considering the fact that recent students have stated that drugs are often on campus I think further clarification is needed. Espically considering you yourself acknowledged that "they do get onto campus."


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We have a policy against this. I will note that this has not always been the policy. Years ago students were put on restrictions for such things. I believe the program is much more clinically sound now than it was in the early days.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

How right you are...at least in the second sentence. Tell me why the change?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the past kids were on restriction for an infinite ammount of time. <<<<<<<<

Very true. Something Mrs. Gray vehnemtly denied.

>>>>>>>>>>All of their therapists are state licensed and the program is licensed by the state as well. They are very clinical. <<<<<<<

Fine, can you explain what as and if HLA is licensed? Not RC, and not accrededation.

>>>>>>>>He has the ability to not be on restrictions. <<<<<<<<<<<<

This is not always the case. If a student is placed on restriction for a crime he did not committ, he is (at least in my time) left on restriction until he acknowledges his guilt. Is this still the case?

>>>>>>>>> HLA has not tolerance for this kind of thing on its campus. <<<<<<<<<<<<<

True enough with its students at least. Just out of curiosity how was the student who made the initial remark punished?

>>>>>>>>>>>You may not want to hear this, but if your child has not gotten themselves complete after RCI, it is entirely their fault.<<<<<<<<<

Recently a teacher (current) posted on here. She told us that students are not allowed to recieve incompletes. Can you comment on this?

>>>>>>>>>>>>I am not HLA's mouthpiece. I have not been asked to come onto this site by anyone. I do so because I want to. I think it is obvious that I work at HLA.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Does Len know youre on here?

>>>>>>>>>>>I will not identify any more of myself because I do not want you people figuring out who I am and harrassing me or my family. You have no problem with others keeping the anonymity. All you ask from others is a screen name, which I have given you. The only reason you would want to know my true identity is to threaten and harrass.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Probably not the case, whats more likely is we'd like to know how it is you are privy to all this information. I personally would be satisfied knowing if you were a counselor or not. As to calling you and harrassing you, would you like to comment on whats happened to Dysfunction?

>>>>>>>>>>>>Notice the typical response that occurs when someone very calmly and clearly states the truth. The posters on this board cannot stand reasonable responses. This is the same thing a lawyer does when they know that a witness is telling a truth that they don't like. If you can't attack the substance, attack the credibility and the character. Just cheap tricks. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Now this I find very interesting. Do you realize you have just described the behavior of almost every HLA stooge on this site for the past year? Look at Cybie's post, or Aftens, look at Lynn even or any of the other numerous trolls. Its all theyve done, dont cry when your own tactics are used against you.

>>>>>>>>>>>The way for a student to progress is for them to follow the rules, do their work in Realizations, and get involved with extracurricular activities. <<<<<<<<<<<<<

Again not always the case. I can tell you from my own time there, for a period I tried my best to stay under the radar. Do what I was told, and play by the rules. It didnt work. HLA is almost Orwellian in its ideology. In 1984 after Smith has been captured it is not enough that he acknowledge his guilt, it is not even enough that he be punished and be forced to live with the fact the he betrayed his love. What matters to O'Brian is that Smith truly want to be forgiven by Big Brother, to truly embrace that Big Brother is always right, and to mean it.

Same thing at HLA, its not enough that a child simply follow the rules and go with the program, they have to believe they are sick and only HLA can cure them. Even if they arent.

>>>>>>>>>Again, I am not saying it has always been this way, especially in the days of the Bentz'. <<<<<<<<<<<<<

So then the question remains. Do we who were there at the early days of the school have a legitimate complaint?
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« Reply #76 on: January 26, 2006, 08:47:00 PM »
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Again not always the case. I can tell you from my own time there, for a period I tried my best to stay under the radar. Do what I was told, and play by the rules. It didnt work. HLA is almost Orwellian in its ideology. In 1984 after Smith has been captured it is not enough that he acknowledge his guilt, it is not even enough that he be punished and be forced to live with the fact the he betrayed his love. What matters to O'Brian is that Smith truly want to be forgiven by Big Brother, to truly embrace that Big Brother is always right, and to mean it.

Same thing at HLA, its not enough that a child simply follow the rules and go with the program, they have to believe they are sick and only HLA can cure them. Even if they arent.


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« Reply #77 on: January 27, 2006, 01:25:00 AM »
Why does HLA still continue to insist that they do not have 'court -ordered children? And, please
don't play semantics..

Did they get rid of the 'Fall-out' book?

Did they stop having the children carry
boulders around on restrictions?  THe front landscaping has been complete for ages...

Have they cleaned up the lower left field?

Is a frightened child's word still 'manipulation?

Oh, and by the way, Academia..Have you all figured out whether you have a Science Lab yet?

Has HLA gotten rid of every teacher, nurse and counselor that got too close to the children
and were honest with the parents..?

Any answers, respectfully of-course....Oh, and if anyone wants to know who "Truth' is...Private
message me...I have a strong feeling.  'Could be
wrong, but I doubt it...
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« Reply #78 on: February 02, 2006, 12:51:00 PM »
I just recently graduated from HLA, and a lot of the things the staff member says are very convenient to say the least for the school. Example:
>>>>>>>Other than that one incident there have been no other times in recent memory that drugs have been on campus. On the rare occasion, however, they do get onto campus. <<<<<<<

During the two years I was there, I can recall at least 6 people who succesfully had drugs or alcohol on campus (some of those students got it on multiple times).

There's also the comment that if you are on restrictions for something the student didn't do they get off..not true.  At least twice my counselors told me that I was on and that there was nothing they could do because the higher ups put me on.

The whole time I was there whenever I was pissed of about something in the program countleass staff told me to just play the game.  The only way to survive the program is to fake it until your out..so tell me how does this help people get over their problems?
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« Reply #79 on: February 02, 2006, 12:55:00 PM »
"Play the game"  is the quote staff members told me to live by.  HLA was a living hell for me and I was a trusted student there.  They treat you like an animal no matter how long you've been there or what you've acheived.  The school is lying to you about 90% of the things they've told you.  Your child is no angel either or they wouldn't be there, and I'm sure some of the things they've said are a little exaggerated but unlike the school 90% of what they've told you is true.  Also keep in mind that any time they communicate with you it has to go through someone else first: emails, phone calls, so a lot of what your kid is saying is downplayed because if they said what really happens the email wouldnt get sent or the phone would be taken away from them.
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« Reply #80 on: February 02, 2006, 12:57:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-02 09:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I just recently graduated from HLA, and a lot of the things the staff member says are very convenient to say the least for the school. Example:

>>>>>>>Other than that one incident there have been no other times in recent memory that drugs have been on campus. On the rare occasion, however, they do get onto campus. <<<<<<<



During the two years I was there, I can recall at least 6 people who succesfully had drugs or alcohol on campus (some of those students got it on multiple times).



There's also the comment that if you are on restrictions for something the student didn't do they get off..not true.  At least twice my counselors told me that I was on and that there was nothing they could do because the higher ups put me on.



The whole time I was there whenever I was pissed of about something in the program countleass staff told me to just play the game.  The only way to survive the program is to fake it until your out..so tell me how does this help people get over their problems?"


I' not going to disagree with you.  "Fake it 'til you make it" is utter bullshit.  Obviously the staff know that it is just a warehouse and legitimate concerns will not be addressed.

So, are you saying that the staff member, "HLA Truth" has been telling some fancilful tales (i.e. lying) about what actually happens on campus?

Can I ask you, were you ever subjected to any sort of psychological evaluation while at HLA?

What do you know about sexual relations between staff and patients?

What kind of drugs were available on campus and from whom/how were they obtained?

Thanks.
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« Reply #81 on: February 02, 2006, 09:35:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-26 22:25:00, juniper2 wrote:

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Why does HLA still continue to insist that they do not have 'court -ordered children? And, please

don't play semantics..



Did they get rid of the 'Fall-out' book?



Did they stop having the children carry

boulders around on restrictions?  THe front landscaping has been complete for ages...



Have they cleaned up the lower left field?



Is a frightened child's word still 'manipulation?



Oh, and by the way, Academia..Have you all figured out whether you have a Science Lab yet?



Has HLA gotten rid of every teacher, nurse and counselor that got too close to the children

and were honest with the parents..?



Any answers, respectfully of-course....Oh, and if anyone wants to know who "Truth' is...Private

message me...I have a strong feeling.  'Could be

wrong, but I doubt it...

"
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« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2006, 09:43:00 PM »
Truth,

Have 'you' figured out whether there is a
Science Lab, or are you still checking into it?
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« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2006, 10:26:00 PM »
Bill will get back to ya when the construction is complete.
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« Reply #84 on: February 03, 2006, 12:01:00 AM »
Bill? Kathleen? Or is it Jeff?  Will the real
'Truth' be known?? Or does one cower behind it?
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« Reply #85 on: February 03, 2006, 08:45:00 AM »
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On 2006-01-26 22:25:00, juniper2 wrote:


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Why does HLA still continue to insist that they do not have 'court -ordered children? And, please


don't play semantics..





Did they get rid of the 'Fall-out' book?





Did they stop having the children carry


boulders around on restrictions?  THe front landscaping has been complete for ages...





Have they cleaned up the lower left field?





Is a frightened child's word still 'manipulation?





Oh, and by the way, Academia..Have you all figured out whether you have a Science Lab yet?





Has HLA gotten rid of every teacher, nurse and counselor that got too close to the children


and were honest with the parents..?





Any answers, respectfully of-course....Oh, and if anyone wants to know who "Truth' is...Private


message me...I have a strong feeling.  'Could be


wrong, but I doubt it...


"

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Truth?  Care to start with these?
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« Reply #86 on: February 04, 2006, 04:29:00 PM »
HLA truth speaks in the same way that the other counselers/employees speak.  When you were answering the concerned parent's questions, you left out a lot of stuff and sorta bent the truth. First of all, people were still being punished for cutting at HLA when I was pulled (at the end of August). Drugs aren't only necessarily snuck onto campus, there are so many kids at that school that are loaded up on different psychiatric medicines that they just cheek them and share them with eachother, hord them and abuse them, and so on. The statement about safety in dorms being one thing in the boys dorm that happened recently probably isnt even close to all of it. There were numerous fights in the boys dorms, as well as the girls dorm. A student in the boys dorm got urine and pubic hair poured over his head when he was in the shower by another student. I had my shampoo bottle pissed in. Students piss on eachothers beds to get back at eachother. Students can easily break into others' closets and steal stuff, and this happens frequently. About the statement about restrictions and not being on that long... I was on restrictions almost every day for the first 3 or 4 months, except for maybe 5 days total. I was put on restrictions for stupid things, like putting hair gel on my eye lashes when I first got there, hello it was like a self esteem and image issue, a girl feeling like they need make up of some kind. Other times people would tell on me in fall out for things that I didn't even do and I'd still be punished.

When my parents and I had a meeting w/ some counselers at HLA, they claimed that they're glad that I told them my complaints, even tho they never listened to me before, and acted like they were interested and really had no idea what was going on, and were going to take some action. They said that of the things they knew about like especially messed up stuff that happened on restrictions,staff that had been invovled (ones that I had brought up to my parents and at the meeting) were claimed to be fired. They lied because every staff member involved with the things I said was still working there.

For the concerned parent, be careful because the staff at HLA are very good at manipulating, and leaving out the truth. Don't believe everything they tell you. Listen to your child.
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« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2006, 08:18:00 PM »
That sounds about right....
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« Reply #88 on: February 04, 2006, 10:17:00 PM »
So how about it truth?
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« Reply #89 on: February 04, 2006, 10:24:00 PM »
She won't answer Brucey bee, she's too busy fingering herself.[ This Message was edited by: Short Bus on 2006-02-04 19:25 ][ This Message was edited by: Short Bus on 2006-02-04 19:29 ]
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