Carlbrook and therapeutic school bashing

[Anonymous]

"Psychiatrists are advised to avoid engaging in any 'memory recovery techniques' which are based upon the expectation of past sexual abuse of which the patient has no memory. Such 'memory recovery techniques' may include drug-mediated interviews, hypnosis, regression therapies, guided imagery, 'body memories', literal dream interpretation and journaling. There is no evidence that the use of consciousness-altering techniques, such as drug-mediated interviews or hypnosis, can reveal or accurately elaborate factual information about any past experiences including childhood sexual abuse. Techniques of regression therapy including 'age regression' and hypnotic regression are of unproven effectiveness." -- Royal College of Psychiatrists, U.K., 1997

[Anonymous]

"It is the consensus of the Panel that hypnotic age regression is the subjective reliving of earlier experiences as though they were real--which does not necessarily replicate earlier events." -- American Medical Association Council on Scientific Affairs, "Scientific Status of Refreshing Recollection by the Use of Hypnosis" (Journal of the American Medical Association, 5 April 1985, Vol. 253, No. 13, pp. 1918-1923)

"Techniques of regression therapy including 'age regression' and hypnotic regression are of unproven effectiveness." -- Royal College of Psychiatrists, U.K., 1997

[Antigen]

Pssst!

Two major organizations in the mental health profession who watchdog child abuse have newly condemned Attachment Therapy as practiced widely in this country.

The American Psychological Association, through its Section on Child Maltreatment and its Division on Child, Youth and Family Services, has endorsed a new 14-page report from the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children, which takes "a stand" against the "contraindicated assessment, treatment, and professional practices related to children described as having attachment disorders."

In two pages of strongly worded recommendations, the report urges substantial changes in the attachment-based diagnosis, assessment, treatment and parenting approaches which "purport to help children described as attachment disordered."

Full Text of article: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 53&forum=9

Ok now, if anyone wants to take a moment to pull your foot out of your mouth or shit in your hat, now's the time. I'm goin for a smoke.  :smokin:

Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth.
                                     
--Mohandas K. Gandhi

[LauraLee]

Wilderness and a therapeutic boarding school is a last resort, but when you have a kid who is running away, or staying out all night, or selling and using drugs, or is so promiscuous, or getting DUIs and might kill themselves and is not listening to any adult, what is a parent to do in the end?

You're so ignorant... kids that do that stuff all have no or little self-esteem. You don't send them out into the wilderness with verbally abusive "therapists" to cure their self-esteem. I know that when I was in the wilderness, my self-esteem was even lower than before I was admitted.

Wilderness Therapy is NOT a cure-all. And don't even try to argue with me about it... because I have lived it. And you, ma'am, have not.

[Antigen]

Ok, first off Nobody is the adolescent moderator of this forum so I don't know which kid you think you're picking on. I'm the site admin and I'm probably older than you are.

But you're right about one thing; I do think the entire "troubled teen" industry is a sham. The entire industry rests and feeds on the faulty notion that any kid who isn't thrilled to death w/ everything must, therefore, be crazy.

It's an attractive deal for a certain kind of parents. It's like God in a bottle to you. It's just SO much easier to call the kid names like RAD and ODD than to consider that you have given them bad advice when you told them to respect all of their teachers and other authority figures.

Guess what? I know this may come as a total shock to you, but some people who are drawn to vocations that place them in authority over vulnerable others are drawn by a sadistic desire to control others. In other words, sometimes angry, rebellious, dissafected kids are right! Being kids, they don't always go about dealing with such problems in the most sensible, productive way. That's where you missed the boat, mom and dad. You were supposed to keep an eye on things, mediate and advocate FOR not AGAINST your kid when they came into conflict with others. It was never your job EVER to act as adjunct enforcer for the faceless social engineers behind the school system or the delusional Rambo area drug taskforce who see imaginary thugs and gangsters behind every bush.

It was your job to be ever and always on your kids' side, to provide safe harbour in a storm, unconditional love and acceptance. After they start growing up it's the KID's job to invent themselves as adults and to build their own lifestyle.

But when your kid decids that they most definitely do NOT aspire to be just like you (as I'm sure you did if you're really honest about it) it's just so much easier to call that a disorder than to consider that maybe you're not quite as cool as you thought you were.

[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce

[LauraLee]

On 2006-01-21 10:08:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:

"Ok, first off Nobody is the adolescent moderator of this forum so I don't know which kid you think you're picking on. I'm the site admin and I'm probably older than you are.



But you're right about one thing; I do think the entire "troubled teen" industry is a sham. The entire industry rests and feeds on the faulty notion that any kid who isn't thrilled to death w/ everything must, therefore, be crazy.



It's an attractive deal for a certain kind of parents. It's like God in a bottle to you. It's just SO much easier to call the kid names like RAD and ODD than to consider that you have given them bad advice when you told them to respect all of their teachers and other authority figures.



Guess what? I know this may come as a total shock to you, but some people who are drawn to vocations that place them in authority over vulnerable others are drawn by a sadistic desire to control others. In other words, sometimes angry, rebellious, dissafected kids are right! Being kids, they don't always go about dealing with such problems in the most sensible, productive way. That's where you missed the boat, mom and dad. You were supposed to keep an eye on things, mediate and advocate FOR not AGAINST your kid when they came into conflict with others. It was never your job EVER to act as adjunct enforcer for the faceless social engineers behind the school system or the delusional Rambo area drug taskforce who see imaginary thugs and gangsters behind every bush.



It was your job to be ever and always on your kids' side, to provide safe harbour in a storm, unconditional love and acceptance. After they start growing up it's the KID's job to invent themselves as adults and to build their own lifestyle.



But when your kid decids that they most definitely do NOT aspire to be just like you (as I'm sure you did if you're really honest about it) it's just so much easier to call that a disorder than to consider that maybe you're not quite as cool as you thought you were.

[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce

"

:nworthy:  :nworthy: :nworthy:  :nworthy:

[Anonymous]

PUKE

[Troll Control]

On 2006-01-21 09:43:00, LauraLee wrote:

"

Wilderness and a therapeutic boarding school is a last resort, but when you have a kid who is running away, or staying out all night, or selling and using drugs, or is so promiscuous, or getting DUIs and might kill themselves and is not listening to any adult, what is a parent to do in the end?

You're so ignorant... kids that do that stuff all have no or little self-esteem. You don't send them out into the wilderness with verbally abusive "therapists" to cure their self-esteem. I know that when I was in the wilderness, my self-esteem was even lower than before I was admitted.



Wilderness Therapy is NOT a cure-all. And don't even try to argue with me about it... because I have lived it. And you, ma'am, have not."

As a professional, I submit to you that there is no such thing as "wilderness therapy."  Being forced to hike and to sleep outdoors with inadequate diet and hygiene and no counseling by a professional provider cannot be, under any circumstances, construed as "therapy."

Wherever did you get the idea that this is therapy?

[Deborah]

Should participants in 'therapy' exit with a negative association to nature, healthy food, even the word 'therapy'?

Should they be subjected to the risk of death or serious injury, amputations due to infection/ frostbite, digestive problems, post PTSD, live with the fear of being sent back if they cross some unclear line, etc?

Given that they have any 'effectiveness' at all, how effective would they be if they were not permitted to beat/starve/scare them into submission?

Over priced private jails in the wild. And we know the recidivism rate of punitive institutions.

[Antigen]

On 2006-01-21 10:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"PUKE"

Here, you should seek treatment for that:
http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/901290364.html

When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=william+blake' target='_new'>William Blake

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2006-01-21 10:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"PUKE"

What's this?  An allergy, or just a really bad reaction to facts?

 :rofl:

Whoever kindles the flames of intolerance in America is lighting a fire underneath his own home.
--Harold E. Stassen, 1947

[Nihilanthic]

On 2006-01-21 11:07:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"

On 2006-01-21 09:43:00, LauraLee wrote:


"

Wilderness and a therapeutic boarding school is a last resort, but when you have a kid who is running away, or staying out all night, or selling and using drugs, or is so promiscuous, or getting DUIs and might kill themselves and is not listening to any adult, what is a parent to do in the end?

You're so ignorant... kids that do that stuff all have no or little self-esteem. You don't send them out into the wilderness with verbally abusive "therapists" to cure their self-esteem. I know that when I was in the wilderness, my self-esteem was even lower than before I was admitted.





Wilderness Therapy is NOT a cure-all. And don't even try to argue with me about it... because I have lived it. And you, ma'am, have not."

As a professional, I submit to you that there is no such thing as "wilderness therapy."  Being forced to hike and to sleep outdoors with inadequate diet and hygiene and no counseling by a professional provider cannot be, under any circumstances, construed as "therapy."



Wherever did you get the idea that this is therapy?
"

Because the people doing it to him/her said that it was therapy, and forcing them to do something under duress thats extremely difficult and doing it through great suffering means they'll eventually 'succeed' and 'know they can do it!' so they get self esteem from that. Or... something.  :roll:

Oh but its so difficult and youre forced to endure bullshit and be obedient because youre in control to much and need to be taken down a notch.

Ah, self contradictory nonsense... and the assumption that enduring suffering is a "groth experience". Why dont any real psychs come out and say this is bullshit?

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.
--Thomas Paine

[AtomicAnt]

Sometimes you have to tear the ego down in order to rebuild it - that is not the worst thing in the world.

No you don't and yes it is (to the victim, anyway).
 
That anyone could post such a thing (and believe it) goes a long away towads explaining everything that is wrong in our society.

I cannot imagine any tolerant, sane person believing they (or anyone else) has a right to "tear the ego down" against the will of victim.

What is legal and what is moral are often very different things. The 'first you break them' part of tough-love is a violation of human rights; period.

[Troll Control]

AA, did you happen to catch where this pos(t)er claimed to be a "mental health professional"?

Must be some kind of joke.

[Nihilanthic]

Two major organizations in the mental health profession who watchdog child abuse have newly condemned Attachment Therapy as practiced widely in this country.

The American Psychological Association, through its Section on Child Maltreatment and its Division on Child, Youth and Family Services, has endorsed a new 14-page report from the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children, which takes "a stand" against the "contraindicated assessment, treatment, and professional practices related to children described as having attachment disorders."

In two pages of strongly worded recommendations, the report urges substantial changes in the attachment-based diagnosis, assessment, treatment and parenting approaches which "purport to help children described as attachment disordered."

Recommendations reflect criticism of the overuse of the "Reactive Attachment Disorder" (RAD) diagnosis by providers and the failure to rule out other more commonly encountered conditions. They also caution that children not be diagnosed and assessed with attachment problems solely because of past maltreatment or neglect. "Assessment should respect the fact that resiliency is common, even in the face of great adversity," the report concludes.

The report's warns professionals against using a litany of practices common to Attachment Therapy and its associated parenting techniques:

"Treatment techniques or attachment parenting techniques involving physical coercion, psychologically or physically enforced holding, physical restraint, physical domination, provoked catharsis, ventilation of rage, age regression, humiliation, withholding or forcing food or water intake, prolonged social isolation, or assuming exaggerated levels of control and domination over a child are contraindicated because of risk of harm and absence of proven benefit and should not be used."

The APSAC report also attacked the mistaken theories of child development and behavior that are used to justify the use of AT. For example, it devastatingly critiqued a key belief used to sell AT to parents: "Intervention models that portray young children in negative ways, including describing certain groups of young children as pervasively manipulative, cunning, or deceitful, are not conducive to good treatment and may promote abusive practices." Then it goes on to warn professionals, "In general, child maltreatment professionals should be skeptical of treatments that describe children in pejorative terms or that advocate aggressive techniques for breaking down children's defenses."

The Report also calls upon child-welfare professionals not to tolerate parenting behaviors that pretend to be therapeutic but are actually abusive:

"[W]ithholding food, water, or toilet access as punishment; exerting exaggerated levels of control over a child; restraining children as a treatment; or intentionally provoking out-of-control emotional distress should be evaluated as suspected abuse and handled accordingly."

In the body of the report, the analysis of AT is comprehensive and particular. The works of several leading lights of AT are cited as examples of the practices and/or beliefs that are eventually condemned. Thus, there is no doubt that the Task Force members were aware not only of AT practices, but also of the current rationalizations used by AT therapists and centers such as Foster Cline, Arthur Becker-Weidman, Nancy Thomas, Daniel Hughes, Gregory Keck, Keith Reber, Deborah Hage, Ronald Federici, the Cascade Center, and Colorado's Institute for Attachment and Child Development (IACD; previously the Attachment Center at Evergreen, or ACE).

The Task Force members who wrote the report - which appears in the current (February 2006) issue of the *Child Maltreatment* journal - included a representative of Attachment Therapists: Todd Nichols, MPA, the president of the Association for Treatment and Training in the Attachment of Children (ATTACh), the national trade organization for AT. As a result of his participation and lack of dissent from the report itself, ATTACh can no longer deny knowledge of the unprofessional and abusive nature of the practices of its founders and members. It will be significant whether the organization will embrace the report and police its members in accord with the report's recommendations. Any lesser response will unmask Attachment Therapists as more interested in perpetuating their mistaken beliefs and financial gain than in welfare of children.


http://http://cmx.sagepub.com/cgi/content/refs/11/1/76

Just figured ID share that... as that more or less  invalidates everything Ive ever seen a program do with, or to a child  :roll:

The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.
--Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President