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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2006, 03:40:00 AM »
The fact that he doesn't want people naming names in terms of programs says it all right there.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ money money money

If Lon believes he is anything but a behavior mod school pimp, he has some serious delusions.

I'll take him seriously if he allows people to talk critically about schools by name.

Other than that, it's all hot air.
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2006, 04:07:00 AM »
Lon's definition of civility:
You can throw a few snow balls, just like they do on the evening news to create a mocking appearance of balance. But absolutely no hard hitting questions. Questions about the basic obscenity of reprograming one's children or of hiring thugs to kidnap them from their beds at night will not be tolerated.

Of course, you can thoroughly humiliate and degrade your kids or the kids of total strangers who may happen along or even the children of total strangers who have nothing at all to do w/ Struggling Turkeys. They're fair game, the goddamned kids! But no such treatment of troubled parents will be tolerated.

Why would mention of a program by name cause flame wars? I just don't get that. I don't know of another industry who's members are so friggen paranoid.

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2006, 08:57:00 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2006, 09:55:00 AM »
Lon,

What would be the point of not allowing people to talk about specific programs?  Wouldn't that tend to hamper the free-flow exchange of information if you don't allow people to talk about their specific experiences?  If these places are so great and do so many wonderful things for kids you'd think they could stand up to a little Q & A.

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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2006, 10:34:00 AM »
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To all! I do believe in the program where our son is. I know more or less how much the mentors/counselors earn at his and other sister schools. It is not a gold mine.

You really should check a little further on this.  Its absolutely a gold mine!  Maybe not the peon staff, but the owner/operators are RAKING it in!


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If a child does pull through, it is a success for the mentor as well. Of course, there are no guarantees of success but these kids are given the tools to make a success of their lives.

So if a child "pulls through" the success is credited to the staff and program, but if he doesn't "pull through" its his fault.  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  Are you kidding me?????  http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/01 ... frey1.html  

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Most parents are at their wits' end and sending their kid away is a last resort.

A lot of parents tend to freak out when their kids become teens and start displaying stupid behavior.  Here's a clue though.  They're TEENAGERS!!  They're impulsive, rebellious, thoughtless, wreckless etc.  Go read the "checklists" these places have for "danger signs".  They describe almost every teen I've ever met.  Fucking fear mongering freaks.

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It was too hard to find reputable schools ourselves, so we engaged an independent EC, who has helped us with WC, TBS and now again WC - hopefully after these 6 weeks back to the TBS, CB


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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2006, 12:22:00 PM »
In Lon's defense -

IF I recall correctly - once upon a time, naming names was permitted. If I recall correctly, he changed this policy as a result of Susan and the mess she made, pretending to be multiple people. I am under the impression Lon hopes to avoid such occurrences in future with this policy of no names allowed.

However (hey Lon - you listening?) the censorship on ST.com is extreme, and people are blocked for raising questions, and criticizing program polices, no matter how civil they are, as they do so. I am a good example. I have been blocked from that board at least twice - and I have never been un-civil. Not by the general meaning of the term anyway.

What Lon is running is an extended version of the BBS.
It is all about supporting the parents and the programs.
Non-supportive comments are apparently considered to be un-civil.
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2006, 12:24:00 PM »
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IF I recall correctly - once upon a time, naming names was permitted. If I recall correctly, he changed this policy as a result of Susan and the mess she made, pretending to be multiple people. I am under the impression Lon hopes to avoid such occurrences in future with this policy of no names allowed.


What happened?  Were they talking about names of people or names of programs?

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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2006, 12:31:00 PM »
WWASP programs - and people to, I'd imagine - but I don't know the little details. I never read any of the posts. I was still on the BBS at the time - and only knew what was going on as they discussed it there on the BBS.

I learned more after discovering the Voy board and Boarding School Truth's board - which eventually lead to me speaking with both Lon and Susan about the posting on ST, and WWASP and so on.
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2006, 12:54:00 PM »
I have thought about trying to post there, but it would be a complete waste of my time. The things I would say, probably wouldn't end up getting posted anyway. Not because I am swearing, and out of control, but because I would have to name names. I feel like the only way people could believe what I had to say would be to name names? Then to be sensored because of that......??????
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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2006, 12:59:00 PM »
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"I have thought about trying to post there, but it would be a complete waste of my time. The things I would say, probably wouldn't end up getting posted anyway. Not because I am swearing, and out of control, but because I would have to name names. I feel like the only way people could believe what I had to say would be to name names? Then to be sensored because of that......??????"


I know, I don't even really have a problem with keeping a person's name out of it, but why keep the name of a program out?  That ensures that there is NO WAY to truly discuss the pros and cons or have any kind of meaningful discussion about the practices of such programs.

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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2006, 01:18:00 PM »
//That ensures that there is NO WAY to truly discuss the pros and cons or have any kind of meaningful discussion about the practices of such programs.//

Indeed.
And for this reason, you are not even permitted to name places - for example - you can not write about the Jamaican program.
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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2006, 01:45:00 PM »
This cracked me up...  

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Katfish: I don't deny that abusive programs are out there, and without naming names, I would run, not walk away from anything connected with one particular multinational corporation running programs in the US and various countries.
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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2006, 01:49:00 PM »
And think, with five simple letters - WWASP - how many other parents could have been illuminated about this sadistic inside joke and avoided it?

The ST board does harm not good.
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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2006, 02:03:00 PM »
I'm sure they all had a good laugh when coming up with the name WWASPS. That's okay, all that matters is who has the last laugh!
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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2006, 02:11:00 PM »
Wonder if maybe Lon doesn't want specific names on the board because maybe he still refers to WWASPS programs.  He tried to distance himself, could this be a possibility?

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