Early withdrawal

[TheWho]

On 2005-12-13 17:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Yes I am a parent

Mother, father? How many children? What are their ages?

(PS: I think your lying.. but humor us anyways-why not?)

OR do you expect people to take parenting advice from a baghead? "

Does it matter? I am stating opinions based on experience, like everyone else not advice.  There is no need to believe or disbelieve me if you like.  I dont believe what everyone says on this forum myself.

[Anonymous]

Does it matter? I am stating opinions based on experience, like everyone else not advice. There is no need to believe or disbelieve me if you like. I dont believe what everyone says on this forum myself.

Ah.  :rofl:

[Anonymous]

Yes I am a parent

AND YOU SPEND YOUR TIME ON FORNITS ALL DAY?? WHERE ARE YOUR KIDS !? LET ME GUESS - AT A PROGRAM?

 ::noway::

[TheWho]

On 2005-12-13 17:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"So how many times does WWASP's profits get stepped on?? "

Dont know -- The parents pay directly to the organization account, which in turn pay the faculty, counselors, cooks, mortgage. etc and what is left over goes to the priciple owners or stock holders as profits.  They can either pocket the money or reinvest it into the school, new buildings, painting etc.
a little over simplified. , but generally should cover it.

[TheWho]

On 2005-12-13 17:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hehe, nope. I'm thinking it's perfect that you compare WWASP with drug dealers. THERE ARE NO ACCIDENTS... right? "AGREED!"  :roll:



troll troll away proudgrad.. haha..  :lol: "

Sorry - you lost me there with the accident thing

[Anonymous]

"Dont know"

YES THAT IS VERY OBVIOUS. WHY DO YOU DEFEND A PROGRAM YOU KONW NOTHING ABOUT?? HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO OR HAD A CHILD AT A PROGRAM, WHICH ONE, A WWASP ONE OR NOT?

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-09 12:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Nihilanthic,



  Yes in the battle between parent and "out of control" child, the parent MUST win.  This is not the everyday battle of what your child wears, or what show there watching on TV; this is a life and death battle.  Webster's dictionary defines parent as: "A guardian; a protector." and the act of parenting as,? To act as a parent to; raise and nurture."  Sending a child to a program is fulfilling this very principle, it's taking that child life and well being in to your own hands, yes that battle must be won.   The role of a parent is to be somewhat like a supervisor, to raise and teach your child to go in the right direction, to make proper choices, and excel in all they do; it is not the role of a parent to merely be a friend, or to helplessly watch their child head down a road of destruction.  

        As for why I post anonymously on this board rather than post my name is two-fold.  First of all due to the character of many who post on this board I do not feel it would be in the best interest of myself or my family to do so for safety concerns.  I would not put in past many of you to show up at my door to cause some type of harm, because the internal anger that many of you experience is clearly revealed through your posts and language.  The second reason is that I plan on sometime in the near future either opening or becoming involved with residential treatment centers for troubled teens.  I truly believe that they are an invaluable tool in the lives of struggling teens, and that they do MUCH more good than harm.  Upon completion of my degree I plan on pursuing a career in this field, and would never want those on this board to create fallacies about myself and my program as they consistently do on the board.



                             -Proudgrad!





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WHY IS IT ALL THE CRAZIES WHO OPEN THESE PLACES UP. I WAS READING A FORUM ABOUT LIFESPRING THE OBVIOUS PRECURSOR TO WWASP SMINARS AND GILCREASE WAS A LIFESPRING FANATIC. YOU AREA WWASP FANATIC NI A LONG CHAIN OF LOONIES. YOU ARE NOT UNIQUE AND WILL ONLY DO MORE DAMAGE TO TEENS.

[Anonymous]

PS PROUDGRAD: WHY WASTE MONEY FIISHING YOUR EDUCATION YOU DONT NEED IT. THE PEOPLE WHO STARTED YOUR HOLY WWASP PROGRAM NEVER EVEN WENT TO COLLEGE. ALL YOU NEED IS A LOW MORALITY LEVEL OR IGNORANCE BEYOND REASON.

[TheWho]

On 2005-12-13 18:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

""Dont know"



YES THAT IS VERY OBVIOUS. WHY DO YOU DEFEND A PROGRAM YOU KONW NOTHING ABOUT?? HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO OR HAD A CHILD AT A PROGRAM, WHICH ONE, A WWASP ONE OR NOT? "

Whoops -- you should reread that, I think.  What the guy was referring to when he said "Dont know" was in reference to profits and who profits from programs.  No one really knows except for the owners, has nothing to do with first hand knowledge of the programs effectiveness as far as the kids are concerned, calm down, you seem very agitated.

[Anonymous]

Whoops -- you should reread that, I think. What the guy was referring to when he said "Dont know" was in reference to profits and who profits from programs. No one really knows except for the owners, has nothing to do with first hand knowledge of the programs effectiveness as far as the kids are concerned, calm down, you seem very agitated.

your ad-hominem style of post gives you away troll.

[Anonymous]

NOW, i will agree that program can benefit some people but they try way too hard to pressure people into conforming (even if it hurts the "student") when most of them need other forms of treatment not available in a shit hole like spring creek.
If you can read this Chaffin, Cameron, or that red faced little bitch (Payne?) who I saw fuck the grievance chick in my cabin, and all you other pathetic SCL employees: I have to hand it you all for setting up something that reaps in the cash and blindside parents while they throw it away in flawed hopes of their kids recovery, but you truly are some twisted uncaring bastard child abusers. Yah, thats right... i agree that many of the girls and a few of the guys are diseased and may need to be put out of theit own misery you help create, but seriously, may god have mercy on your withered souls.

PS i am going to college and will become more successful than all of you scl bitches combined, and i will have your program and others drastically altered or destroyed in a legal way.
good day.

e3j3p3@hotmail.com

[Anonymous]

One more thing, all of you SCL and WWASP program employess, investors, and supporters, just take a deep deep look at youselves, deep. Look at the life you lead. It may be good it may be bad. Look the kids that that suffer and may be suicidal and CANNOT benefit from your program and others despite the number of kids that do benefit. You need to inform the parents of these kids that there are many other options available for the proper treatment for their kids and their problems. Its for the benefit of a greater humanity... my interest and the world's.

Analyze, contemplate what is right, and go for it, that is why i am here, for what is right for me and what is right for my fellow brothers and sisters of whatever god there may be.

enjoy

e3j3p3@hotmail.com

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-09 15:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Proudgrad-

You breathe much needed fresh air into this forum. I appreciate your honesty and straight forwardness in explaining your personal experience of treatment. At this moment, my son who just turned 16, is struggling in school and his home life. He has started using drugs regularly, stays out all night and completely disregards my authority. Before you all jump on and call me a bad parent, know this - I have done everything and anything I could for this boy - I don't know how he has turned out the way he has. Perhaps it is his father, I'm not sure I will ever know, me and my son have zero communication. His father lives on the other side of the continent and shows little interest, so that leaves me with little choice. I have decided to look at the program options available, they seem to have really been of help to most students attending. Proudgrad, I would love to hear more about your story. What brought you into the program? What was it like being away from your family for so long? I have so many questions, I appreciate all the input you can provide. My email is PatriciaSwiggert@hotmail.com

Thanks in advance, I'm glad your program experience was a positive one, I hope the same for my son.

Patricia Swiggert  :smile: "

HI Proudgrad:
It's me Patricia S. again, just to say I am looking forward to your email. I would love to get in contact with you via email but I couldn't find yours posted, so feel free to email me. My son is struggling and I appreciate all the help I can get. May God bless you and watch over you, Proudgrad.
Patricia

[Nihilanthic]

On 2005-12-13 23:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"NOW, i will agree that program can benefit some people but they try way too hard to pressure people into conforming (even if it hurts the "student") when most of them need other forms of treatment not available in a shit hole like spring creek.

If you can read this Chaffin, Cameron, or that red faced little bitch (Payne?) who I saw fuck the grievance chick in my cabin, and all you other pathetic SCL employees: I have to hand it you all for setting up something that reaps in the cash and blindside parents while they throw it away in flawed hopes of their kids recovery, but you truly are some twisted uncaring bastard child abusers. Yah, thats right... i agree that many of the girls and a few of the guys are diseased and may need to be put out of theit own misery you help create, but seriously, may god have mercy on your withered souls.



PS i am going to college and will become more successful than all of you scl bitches combined, and i will have your program and others drastically altered or destroyed in a legal way.

good day.



e3j3p3@hotmail.com"

Benefit who? How?

How do you make the determination that extreme fear and humiliation is acceptable for a particular child? Who on earth would say "ok, you can brainwash and torture this child, but not the one whose depressed". Uhhh wouldnt someone get depressed and/or suicidal from living that way?

Also, good job with the trolling of the LIFE AND DEATH STRUGGLE TO DOMINATE YOUR CHILD.  :lol:

I think I need to breathe some fresh air out of a hookah... later guys!

I don't believe in God. My god is patriotism. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
--Andrew Carnegie, Scottish-born American industrialist and philanthropist

[Anonymous]

Niles, did you even read the post you just quoted and accused of trolling?? Dude... get off your high horse, this guy lived the program and is here telling us the truth.

You go off on him over saying 'im sure the program benefits some people' and ignore the rest of his post. Sounds like a program supporters debating strategy man! Some people do thrive in the program... a small minority, and they are the type of person who thrives in prison, the military or a cult, or a fundamentalist religion. That type of person DOES thrive on this type of cult. Because they arent the type who are abused because they become an abuser so enthusiastically.

Dont attack people who are against the program man, thats not cool. Maybe you misread the post??  ::