Spring Creek Lodge

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-20 17:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

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or maybe the program fucked with us so bad that we feel the need to be spiteful.



FUCK WWASP fucking money guzzling fake twisted bastards

Its not blaming our mishaps its the fact that were all standing up for what we believe and the majority of this group believes that WWASP was a money guzzling child abusing (not physically) Facility that we think needs to be shut down.... nobody on here is like "oh im so depressed cuz i got sent to SCL" Fuck that shit im not fucking depressed im fucking ticked off that a place can take away two years of your life for absolutely nothing i mean ya some people need it but im no different then i was before just cus my parents thought i was doing some fucked up shit well ya but maybe that fucked up shit in itself taught me about how i want to live my life..... not being fucking stuck in some room with 30 other kids like how fuck the only way im gonna get outta this bitch is to act like a zombie and get people to like me that i dont give a flying fuck about ...... fuck that shit fuck scl and fuck chaffin thats my fucking right so fuck you

You mentioned that it's not physically abusive, but let's not forget WWASP's other programs, such as TB

um excuse me, but just about my whole college fund (30g) was spent on sending me there. so....... dont speak unless you know what you're talking about.

Shut your bitch ass up. That is not the point, the point is if i wanted to go to college, I now have to figure out a way to pay for when i had done that in the first place. "College Funds" is designed for college, not a behavioral modification school.

exactly... its such a bitch having to pay for it all over again.

At any rate, my parents didn't pay for it- oh no, they suckered my poor, generous grandma into the deed. My grandma, who loves me as my parents never did, was the one who bore the brunt of the costs. She ended up paying for my parents' inability to handle what they got themselves into: actually having to raise their own kid!



I got kicked out of the house recently, and what do you know, my life has been rather pleasant ever since! Perhaps I was not the problem at hand? Perhaps, contrary to the beliefs of my "infallible" parents, THEY had the dilemma that needed to be solved! Maybe I was actually right- my mom is a psychotic bitch who thinks only of herself and the delusional life she lives! I mean, suddenly, right after being kicked out, I�m fine! I wonder if that means anything? What do you think, Kelly? That is, assuming you possess the ability to do so?



I have no idea what kind of person you are, or what kind of strange lifestyle you go by, but your views are absolutely insane. Stop embarrassing yourself and shut up.

Get off Chaffin and the programs nuts. Is david gilcrease paying you to say that or are you having to suck him off just so that you you can make your statement on his/thier behalf, cause that is what i think of your opinion.

you are a stupid bitch, straight up.



my parents spent my college fund too and now i have to work two jobs while going to school full time because of it. yeah, not fun.



just because you were brainwashed like an ignorant chess piece doesn't mean that you have to tell us that we're using spring creek to excuse our "mishaps" or our lives now. i don't regret spring creek because i refuse to regret anything that has brought me to this spot in my life, but i hate it more than anything.



think spring creek can't be negative? wait until you have nightmares every night and get diagnosed with ptsd.



god i hate people.

Lol. The program didnt save you- YOU saved yourself. c'mon now...be accountable. Either that or your just really dramatic.

My parents spent our House on that stupid shit and all I learned was how to restrain someone without leaving any marks.

So take your positivity elsewhere- it's not welcome here...lol.

And you can sleep and night knowing that hes taking the freedom of others in return.... Hes taking peoples wealth and all.......... Programized people and People in the armed forces piss me off.....

That shithole stole two years from me, and I can't get them back. If the program were no longer around, I wouldn't give a rat's ass if Kelly and people like her supported it. But as long as that place is alive and thriving, more and more people are going to be subjected to the same shit I had to go through.



Now, I see a lot of people on here with the attitude of "Who cares, it's not us; let them be, " and I guess they're lucky in a sense because obviously they don't get disturbed very easily. Well unfortunately for me, apparently I DO get disturbed, whether easily or not.



You mentioned that I "spread misery, " but on the contrary, I could never hope to be as much of a burden on the world as WWASP, even if it were my ultimate goal in life. (Which it isn't, though I'm sure a couple of you may disagree.) I probably can't do much to change things (at least not by myself), but when I see bull shit about how great WWASP is, the very least I can do is stomp it out. To ignore it would be sheer laziness. And if I happen to piss off a program-lover, all the better.



So go ahead, support the demise of Tucker and his superior car. Support the Salem witch trials. Support whatever the hell you want; I don't care how evil or stupid it is; just DO NOT support anything that continues hurting innocent people to this day, and will continue to hurt people for what could be a very long time. That is what pisses me off, and if you don't understand why, that sucks.

And yeah, while we're on the subject of that, I also get nightmares and have PTSD. You can call me a loser, a baby, whatever, but it is how it is; and if you think it's an indication of weakness, that only shows your lack of understanding for human psychology even further. (I'm not talking to you ET lol)



If you want to know why I hate that place so much (on a broader level), read "1984" by George Orwell; watch Braveheart; do research on the Comintern brainwashing techniques. It really shouldn't be hard to understand how two years of such hell could very easily scar someone for life.

i totally agree with you, sean.



i wish i could burn the motherfucker down.

Hey look, I can find quotes and paste them here too!! Do you really want to play this game?? Because I can find a LOT more than you can. I was at a WWASPS facility, were you?"

It's Alex's Aunts or family who troll this forum still. If this troll had any idea of what it's like at WWASPS, why would they only quote other people? Because they have nothing to add themselves. Let them troll away, the longer this thread gets attention the more parents will read the truth of SCL - look how many pages and views this thread has.   :tup:  :tup:

[Anonymous]

Alex is not living at home, why would he after his parents sent him to teen prison camp!

[Anonymous]

I have seen you come here and post quotes from other people, but never have you ever contributed to the discussion yourself. Were you sent to a WWASPS facility? Were you a parent of a kid sent? Did you work there? Usually people who post on this forum have some knowledge of the programs they discuss, it would appear you have none. Why do you argue for abusive programs you know nothing about? I was abused at a WWASPS facility, so was a lot of other people that post here. Now, please tell me why you advocate a program that abused me. I really want to know.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-20 13:40:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"I refuse to even go there! I would never even want my face posted as a member of that group!!!



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"I'm not into censoring people. I think you should be able to say whatever you like unless your threatening someones life, or something like that. People need to learn to get a tougher skin. People should have a certain amount of respect for others, but not everyone does. I find it a little humorous that there is now a pro-wwasp group! But, whatever............different strokes for different folks. I am not going to stop you."

This was on the Pro Wwasp site...isn't this you CCM Girl?

[Anonymous]

I don't agree with all the program represents. Kids are put in there 2 young. They allow parents to drop them off and forget about them. They will except any kid. Not all will benefited some it will hurt much worse then when they got there. I believe the seminars are mostly crap. If you are weak and depressed at the time of the seminars I believe it can do more harm then good.

I benefited from SCL. I needed and wanted change. I didn't get programmed or fall under there spell. I found good things here and there from the program and seminars and used it to my advantage.

But I wasn?t dropped off there and left for years.

I don't see anything wrong with taking every thing away from a kid and making them earn it back.

I also don't believe kids should be locked up for years if it isn?t working in 6 months then it wont work. I think the families should be able to visit twice a week.

My parent could have never done what was needed to be done themselves like some will say here.
"it is your job as a parent" I was totally out of control I would have hurt or even killed my mom if she tried taking everything away from me.

So it did work for me. But I can see how it may not for others. I wish someone would open a place were kids can be sent. but with rules.. on outside time. Parents must visit at least once a week or the kid is sent home. I noticed a lot of parents didn?t play much of a role in a few kids life?s. Review in 3 months to see if kid should stay next 3 months or go home. Stay no longer then 6 months total. Instead of break down build up seminars there should be self help or maybe self esteem groups. I never really figured it all out. All I do know is if I didn?t get sent there very bad things could have happen.

So if I weighed my options as these programs are today. I would want them closed.

[Anonymous]

So you were at a WWASPS facility, is this you authoring this post, or is this another copy/paste from myspace?

[Anonymous]

So if I weighed my options as these programs are today. I would want them closed.

As do I. But it's up to parents to make that decision and right now WWASPS is building more and more facilities so it doesn't look likely. The more 'armchair' supporters of WWASPS there are who claim it's not harmful, the more kids will get sent.

[Antigen]

On 2006-03-20 18:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

The pro group never tried to shut the anti group down..

I can quote people too!

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[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-20 19:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have seen you come here and post quotes from other people, but never have you ever contributed to the discussion yourself. Were you sent to a WWASPS facility? Were you a parent of a kid sent? Did you work there? Usually people who post on this forum have some knowledge of the programs they discuss, it would appear you have none. Why do you argue for abusive programs you know nothing about? I was abused at a WWASPS facility, so was a lot of other people that post here. Now, please tell me why you advocate a program that abused me. I really want to know. "

I have posted here a few times. I do not post here a lot. Not sure were you get that. when I seen CCM post....

On 2006-03-20 09:54:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"Posted:  Mar 20, 2006 8:34 AM

   

A new, pro-wwasp site has been started. Please take action against this by forwarding the following message to customer service [located on the control panel at the bottom of the screen].



I would like to compain about the formation of the group http://groups.myspace.com/wwaspnotantiwwasp



This group supports cult activity, which inflicts abuse to minors, of which I have personally experienced as a teenager. This group has personally assaulted me and several hundred of other members of myspace who now particiapte in groups which actively promote against WWASP, because of their personal experiences.



I am personally offended by the formation of this group, and feel as if my personal security is being disrupted.



The following is a link on wikipedia, a free and independent information source, which defines WWASP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWASP

and felt the urge to reply.

[Anonymous]

This group has personally assaulted me and several hundred of other members of myspace who now particiapte in groups which actively promote against WWASP, because of their personal experiences.



I am personally offended by the formation of this group, and feel as if my personal security is being disrupted.

This sounds reasonable to me. If someone raped you and then started a group for supporters of said rape, how would you react?  ::noway::

[Anonymous]

As you are well aware, this firm represents the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools. We have followed the postings on your Fornits website for sometime. The commentaries on programs and schools that are members of our association have been false, misleading, and libelous.

I'll keep that in mind when bothering to address anon program trolls. It's probably WWASPS employees who are paid to come here and 'follow the postings'.   :lol:  :lol: Thanks for posting that Eudora, it says a lot about the place...

[Anonymous]

Try reading exactly what I wright and not what you want to here. We are talking about kids like you that were taken from there homes and put in these places not the facilities themselves.

They should be able to have a forum of there own.

Do you think they will not shut them down because 10 or 20 % said it worked for them.
they also say it sucked and was hard mentally to be locked up. That they didn?t agree with the program and how it was ran.

Keep up the fight, people would like and believe you more if you show respect for others. (NOT WWASPS FACILITY WORKERS)
Nobody is going to believe that the pro kids were just programmed. The % is still higher on anti wwasps people. So you are still winning.

These kids never said they agreed with everything about the program. It isn't completely the program that helped them. Maybe the reality check of being sent away and everything taken away. Having kids like them that realized the same thing. They probably weren?t left in there for years.

 Just felt it was wrong to attack the pro group for starting a group just because they don't want to be beat up by anti group. No reason they can't have a place to talk. I am sure it wont be all great things but they should have a place they fell comfortable.

No point in me going on.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-20 20:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

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As you are well aware, this firm represents the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools. We have followed the postings on your Fornits website for sometime. The commentaries on programs and schools that are members of our association have been false, misleading, and libelous.

I'll keep that in mind when bothering to address anon program trolls. It's probably WWASPS employees who are paid to come here and 'follow the postings'.   :lol:  :lol: Thanks for posting that Eudora, it says a lot about the place..."

Ya I am a troll. Never heard them disagree with program at all.

I want you to find a better way out then to say I am a troll. You same 4 people who know the anonymous could be Eudora or CCM girl.

2 bad you couldn't just change a little more people might listen.

[Anonymous]

Well I didn't say I was talking about you, why so defensive?  :lol:

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-20 20:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Try reading exactly what I wright and not what you want to here. We are talking about kids like you that were taken from there homes and put in these places not the facilities themselves.



They should be able to have a forum of there own.



Do you think they will not shut them down because 10 or 20 % said it worked for them.

they also say it sucked and was hard mentally to be locked up. That they didn�t agree with the program and how it was ran.



Keep up the fight, people would like and believe you more if you show respect for others. (NOT WWASPS FACILITY WORKERS)

Nobody is going to believe that the pro kids were just programmed. The % is still higher on anti wwasps people. So you are still winning.



These kids never said they agreed with everything about the program. It isn't completely the program that helped them. Maybe the reality check of being sent away and everything taken away. Having kids like them that realized the same thing. They probably weren�t left in there for years.



 Just felt it was wrong to attack the pro group for starting a group just because they don't want to be beat up by anti group. No reason they can't have a place to talk. I am sure it wont be all great things but they should have a place they fell comfortable.



No point in me going on."

You are right, there is no reason to go on because you argue a moot point. They have a group, and always will. They won't be shut down. CCM can share her views, don't you agree? She can even email myspace admin if she wants, right? So what is your point exactly? They have their group, and anyone can join. Am I missing something?