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« Reply #90 on: December 06, 2005, 02:06:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-06 10:56:00, famjaztique wrote:

"Ok, so I get it.  RTC's are evil.  And they don't work, especially for violent or aggressive kids.  It would be really great if there was something that DID work. "


Why do you think your son is acting out? Do you see any reason why he might be? Go ahead and tell us, it's not like we know you personally. The great thing about here, is you can air your dirty laundry, and stay somewhat anonymous. It's not like if you start talking to other Mom's in your area, they will start to judge you, they will gossip about you. They will not let their kids hang out with yours because they will be afraid of his bad behaivor rubbing off on them, and can you blame them?!! I want to hear your top 3 reasons why you think your son is behaiving the way he is.
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« Reply #91 on: December 06, 2005, 02:44:00 PM »
Ok, I thought I had explained in an earlier post but maybe it was a different thread.  

My son, we'll call him John, has been acting out in several ways, and for some time now.  First, he hates school.  Well, who doesn't?  Except his way of hating school is refusing to go (he started school refusal in sixth grade and the school filed a truancy complaint against him which put us with a probation officer for two years), or walking out.  When anyone tries to tell him that he needs to do his work or go to school or behave or stop talking or whatever he will sometimes "go off" on them.   Going off includes outrageous profanity, I mean the worst of the worst along with very direct insults, and sometimes threats.  He has failed every core course in school every year that he has been in middle school.  

By the end of sixth grade he was such a mess that I pulled him and homeschooled him.  I had talked with his teachers, his guidance counselor, the principal and vice-principal on numerous occasions.  I asked the teachers to help, they declined saying that didn't have extra time.  The guidance counselor suggested therapy...we did that and still are.  

During sixth grade he would also break curfew by several hours and was already experimenting with pot.  He was 12.  

I homeschooled him and everything calmed right down.  He stopped giving me a hard time.  He was respectful, and not because I demanded it, because he just was.  We rarely had arguments.  He enjoyed several of the things he was doing and picked up boxing and bass guitar.  I was so happy to have him "back".  He wasn't perfect and I don't expect him to be.  But he smiled and laughed and seemed to be enjoying his life again.  

But he did miss his school friends so I agreed that he could go back to "regular" school.  As soon as school started he was suspended three times in a row.  Once for coming to school under the influence of speed (that is the only instance I know of of him doing speed), another for "threatening" a teacher, and another for throwing milk in the cafeteria.  None of these by themselves are earth shattering.  Even the threat which was said to a smug teacher who enjoying Zach being in trouble so he said, "wipe that smile off your face before I smack it off."   I spoke to the vice principal who was the disciplinarian and was also someone who seemed to understand him and she worked out a deal with him that if he was feeling angry he could come sit outside her office and he didn't have to ask anyone to do it.  She wouldn't talk to him unless he wanted to talk.  This worked well and his behavioral problems decreased, but no one dared "make" him do his work at school and he was constantly lying about his homework to me.  

At that point I started asking for an IEP eval and it wasn't until this year that they complied and came back with a diagnosis of "depressed and angry".  This year, in the beginning of the year he started getting suspended right away again and in the first quarter was suspended FOUR times.  He walked out of school twice and was in the office more often than in the classroom.  He is not allowed to go to his science class anymore for being so disruptive and disrespectful.  

As the pressures at school mount he gets increasingly irritable at home and avoids home as much as possible because he doesn't want to deal with homework.   He breaks curfew almost every day.  If I ground him, he waits until I have to leave to be at work or class and then leaves.  I've tried adjusting his curfew.  I've tried coming to an agreement with him about what is reasonable.  I have taken away TV, computer, etc.  All that does is give him more incentive to be elsewhere.  

When he's angry at me, and usually what he's angry about is that I've asked him to do his homework, or go to school, he flies into rages where he, again, uses the worst profanity and sometimes breaks things or walks up to me in a threatening manner.  He has said he wishes I would die, go get raped, or other equally hurtful awful things.  

He is in therapy regularly.  I am on a long wait list for a Neuropsych evaluation,  we tried one anti-depressant that made him more aggressive so now he's scared to try anymore and I finallly have an IEP in hand for him but I'm not sure the school can handle him even with the IEP.  He lies and manipulates on a minute by minute basis. I also sat him down and gave him other choices for school, including homeschooling again.  Instead he is just skipping school and refusing to go.  

And he only gets more defiant if you tell him that going to school or doing his homework is non-negotiable.  I've also tried a reward system and that didn't work either.  

Today, I had to report him as a missing person.   He walked out of the house and refused to discuss where he was going.  I told him it wasn't ok for him to leave right then because he hadn't been to school and it was still during school hours and he stated that he didn't care.  He wanted to live his life "his" way.  He didn't care about school or anything else for that matter.  And I knew that he had been helping a kid who had run away.  

And here's an example of his temper.  This happened a couple of weeks ago.  We were on the interstate and stopped at a rest stop for a bathroom break.  We had our cat with us because we had been away and she couldn't be left alone in the car.  So I went in with my daughter first  and then John went in.  He was in there for two minutes when I saw him running out.  Right behind him was the guy who runs the small rest stop and he was yelling.  I jumped out of the car and stopped them and asked what was going on.  The guy said that he was upset because my son had used a bathroom that had an "out of order" sign.  When he reprimanded my son, John got angry and swore at him and then on his way out threw a large cigarette ash container over.  
Now I think the guy was being a prick about the initial situation, and sometimes adults are jerks.  They could say the same thing without all the attitude and power struggle.  But the fact is, it's not ok for my son to react so violently every time someone is a little bit of a jerk to him.  His therapist says he misperceives the level of infraction and then stores it and adds to it the next time someone "bugs" him.  

He justifies his behavior by saying that "so and so" pissed him off.    When he calls me names, he justifies it by saying that I made him angry.  

So there's just a sampling.
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« Reply #92 on: December 06, 2005, 03:01:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-06 11:44:00, famjaztique wrote:

"Ok, I thought I had explained in an earlier post but maybe it was a different thread.  



My son, we'll call him John, has been acting out in several ways, and for some time now.  First, he hates school.  Well, who doesn't?  Except his way of hating school is refusing to go (he started school refusal in sixth grade and the school filed a truancy complaint against him which put us with a probation officer for two years), or walking out.  When anyone tries to tell him that he needs to do his work or go to school or behave or stop talking or whatever he will sometimes "go off" on them.   Going off includes outrageous profanity, I mean the worst of the worst along with very direct insults, and sometimes threats.  He has failed every core course in school every year that he has been in middle school.  



By the end of sixth grade he was such a mess that I pulled him and homeschooled him.  I had talked with his teachers, his guidance counselor, the principal and vice-principal on numerous occasions.  I asked the teachers to help, they declined saying that didn't have extra time.  The guidance counselor suggested therapy...we did that and still are.  



During sixth grade he would also break curfew by several hours and was already experimenting with pot.  He was 12.  



I homeschooled him and everything calmed right down.  He stopped giving me a hard time.  He was respectful, and not because I demanded it, because he just was.  We rarely had arguments.  He enjoyed several of the things he was doing and picked up boxing and bass guitar.  I was so happy to have him "back".  He wasn't perfect and I don't expect him to be.  But he smiled and laughed and seemed to be enjoying his life again.  



But he did miss his school friends so I agreed that he could go back to "regular" school.  As soon as school started he was suspended three times in a row.  Once for coming to school under the influence of speed (that is the only instance I know of of him doing speed), another for "threatening" a teacher, and another for throwing milk in the cafeteria.  None of these by themselves are earth shattering.  Even the threat which was said to a smug teacher who enjoying Zach being in trouble so he said, "wipe that smile off your face before I smack it off."   I spoke to the vice principal who was the disciplinarian and was also someone who seemed to understand him and she worked out a deal with him that if he was feeling angry he could come sit outside her office and he didn't have to ask anyone to do it.  She wouldn't talk to him unless he wanted to talk.  This worked well and his behavioral problems decreased, but no one dared "make" him do his work at school and he was constantly lying about his homework to me.  



At that point I started asking for an IEP eval and it wasn't until this year that they complied and came back with a diagnosis of "depressed and angry".  This year, in the beginning of the year he started getting suspended right away again and in the first quarter was suspended FOUR times.  He walked out of school twice and was in the office more often than in the classroom.  He is not allowed to go to his science class anymore for being so disruptive and disrespectful.  



As the pressures at school mount he gets increasingly irritable at home and avoids home as much as possible because he doesn't want to deal with homework.   He breaks curfew almost every day.  If I ground him, he waits until I have to leave to be at work or class and then leaves.  I've tried adjusting his curfew.  I've tried coming to an agreement with him about what is reasonable.  I have taken away TV, computer, etc.  All that does is give him more incentive to be elsewhere.  



When he's angry at me, and usually what he's angry about is that I've asked him to do his homework, or go to school, he flies into rages where he, again, uses the worst profanity and sometimes breaks things or walks up to me in a threatening manner.  He has said he wishes I would die, go get raped, or other equally hurtful awful things.  



He is in therapy regularly.  I am on a long wait list for a Neuropsych evaluation,  we tried one anti-depressant that made him more aggressive so now he's scared to try anymore and I finallly have an IEP in hand for him but I'm not sure the school can handle him even with the IEP.  He lies and manipulates on a minute by minute basis. I also sat him down and gave him other choices for school, including homeschooling again.  Instead he is just skipping school and refusing to go.  



And he only gets more defiant if you tell him that going to school or doing his homework is non-negotiable.  I've also tried a reward system and that didn't work either.  



Today, I had to report him as a missing person.   He walked out of the house and refused to discuss where he was going.  I told him it wasn't ok for him to leave right then because he hadn't been to school and it was still during school hours and he stated that he didn't care.  He wanted to live his life "his" way.  He didn't care about school or anything else for that matter.  And I knew that he had been helping a kid who had run away.  



And here's an example of his temper.  This happened a couple of weeks ago.  We were on the interstate and stopped at a rest stop for a bathroom break.  We had our cat with us because we had been away and she couldn't be left alone in the car.  So I went in with my daughter first  and then John went in.  He was in there for two minutes when I saw him running out.  Right behind him was the guy who runs the small rest stop and he was yelling.  I jumped out of the car and stopped them and asked what was going on.  The guy said that he was upset because my son had used a bathroom that had an "out of order" sign.  When he reprimanded my son, John got angry and swore at him and then on his way out threw a large cigarette ash container over.  

Now I think the guy was being a prick about the initial situation, and sometimes adults are jerks.  They could say the same thing without all the attitude and power struggle.  But the fact is, it's not ok for my son to react so violently every time someone is a little bit of a jerk to him.  His therapist says he misperceives the level of infraction and then stores it and adds to it the next time someone "bugs" him.  



He justifies his behavior by saying that "so and so" pissed him off.    When he calls me names, he justifies it by saying that I made him angry.  



So there's just a sampling.

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Maybe I was in a different thread, but I told YOU I wanted to hear the TOP 3 REASONS why you think YOUR SON is behaiving the way he is!!!!
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« Reply #93 on: December 06, 2005, 03:09:00 PM »
Top 3 reasons I think...

Well, part of the whole reason I'm posting here is because I'm in process of trying to figure that out.   But if I had to make my own guesses I would say that he is upset that his father isn't around or involved and has essentially ruined his own life.  Another part is that he was a smaller boy and more sensitive so got picked on a lot and then adopted a tough guy attitude to make up for it.  Another part is probably genetic.  I have since uncovered a long history of male anger on my mother's side and his father's father's sides of the family.  Part of it may be a learning disability that hasn't been  uncovered yet that has made him feel unsuccessful and got him labeled as a behavior problem that he is now living up to.  

I think a very very large part of his anger toward school has to do with his 5th grade teacher who singled him out despite my multiple visits and complaints.  

Also, for my own part, I think I didn't react soon enough!!  I'm not an overreactive parent so when he started having trouble I figured he was just going through a difficult time and I got him therapy and listened to him and talked with him, thinking with support he would outgrow it.
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« Reply #94 on: December 06, 2005, 03:15:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-06 12:01:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

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On 2005-12-06 11:44:00, famjaztique wrote:


"Ok, I thought I had explained in an earlier post but maybe it was a different thread.  





My son, we'll call him John, has been acting out in several ways, and for some time now.  First, he hates school.  Well, who doesn't?  Except his way of hating school is refusing to go (he started school refusal in sixth grade and the school filed a truancy complaint against him which put us with a probation officer for two years), or walking out.  When anyone tries to tell him that he needs to do his work or go to school or behave or stop talking or whatever he will sometimes "go off" on them.   Going off includes outrageous profanity, I mean the worst of the worst along with very direct insults, and sometimes threats.  He has failed every core course in school every year that he has been in middle school.  





By the end of sixth grade he was such a mess that I pulled him and homeschooled him.  I had talked with his teachers, his guidance counselor, the principal and vice-principal on numerous occasions.  I asked the teachers to help, they declined saying that didn't have extra time.  The guidance counselor suggested therapy...we did that and still are.  





During sixth grade he would also break curfew by several hours and was already experimenting with pot.  He was 12.  





I homeschooled him and everything calmed right down.  He stopped giving me a hard time.  He was respectful, and not because I demanded it, because he just was.  We rarely had arguments.  He enjoyed several of the things he was doing and picked up boxing and bass guitar.  I was so happy to have him "back".  He wasn't perfect and I don't expect him to be.  But he smiled and laughed and seemed to be enjoying his life again.  





But he did miss his school friends so I agreed that he could go back to "regular" school.  As soon as school started he was suspended three times in a row.  Once for coming to school under the influence of speed (that is the only instance I know of of him doing speed), another for "threatening" a teacher, and another for throwing milk in the cafeteria.  None of these by themselves are earth shattering.  Even the threat which was said to a smug teacher who enjoying Zach being in trouble so he said, "wipe that smile off your face before I smack it off."   I spoke to the vice principal who was the disciplinarian and was also someone who seemed to understand him and she worked out a deal with him that if he was feeling angry he could come sit outside her office and he didn't have to ask anyone to do it.  She wouldn't talk to him unless he wanted to talk.  This worked well and his behavioral problems decreased, but no one dared "make" him do his work at school and he was constantly lying about his homework to me.  





At that point I started asking for an IEP eval and it wasn't until this year that they complied and came back with a diagnosis of "depressed and angry".  This year, in the beginning of the year he started getting suspended right away again and in the first quarter was suspended FOUR times.  He walked out of school twice and was in the office more often than in the classroom.  He is not allowed to go to his science class anymore for being so disruptive and disrespectful.  





As the pressures at school mount he gets increasingly irritable at home and avoids home as much as possible because he doesn't want to deal with homework.   He breaks curfew almost every day.  If I ground him, he waits until I have to leave to be at work or class and then leaves.  I've tried adjusting his curfew.  I've tried coming to an agreement with him about what is reasonable.  I have taken away TV, computer, etc.  All that does is give him more incentive to be elsewhere.  





When he's angry at me, and usually what he's angry about is that I've asked him to do his homework, or go to school, he flies into rages where he, again, uses the worst profanity and sometimes breaks things or walks up to me in a threatening manner.  He has said he wishes I would die, go get raped, or other equally hurtful awful things.  





He is in therapy regularly.  I am on a long wait list for a Neuropsych evaluation,  we tried one anti-depressant that made him more aggressive so now he's scared to try anymore and I finallly have an IEP in hand for him but I'm not sure the school can handle him even with the IEP.  He lies and manipulates on a minute by minute basis. I also sat him down and gave him other choices for school, including homeschooling again.  Instead he is just skipping school and refusing to go.  





And he only gets more defiant if you tell him that going to school or doing his homework is non-negotiable.  I've also tried a reward system and that didn't work either.  





Today, I had to report him as a missing person.   He walked out of the house and refused to discuss where he was going.  I told him it wasn't ok for him to leave right then because he hadn't been to school and it was still during school hours and he stated that he didn't care.  He wanted to live his life "his" way.  He didn't care about school or anything else for that matter.  And I knew that he had been helping a kid who had run away.  





And here's an example of his temper.  This happened a couple of weeks ago.  We were on the interstate and stopped at a rest stop for a bathroom break.  We had our cat with us because we had been away and she couldn't be left alone in the car.  So I went in with my daughter first  and then John went in.  He was in there for two minutes when I saw him running out.  Right behind him was the guy who runs the small rest stop and he was yelling.  I jumped out of the car and stopped them and asked what was going on.  The guy said that he was upset because my son had used a bathroom that had an "out of order" sign.  When he reprimanded my son, John got angry and swore at him and then on his way out threw a large cigarette ash container over.  


Now I think the guy was being a prick about the initial situation, and sometimes adults are jerks.  They could say the same thing without all the attitude and power struggle.  But the fact is, it's not ok for my son to react so violently every time someone is a little bit of a jerk to him.  His therapist says he misperceives the level of infraction and then stores it and adds to it the next time someone "bugs" him.  





He justifies his behavior by saying that "so and so" pissed him off.    When he calls me names, he justifies it by saying that I made him angry.  





So there's just a sampling.


"




Maybe I was in a different thread, but I told YOU I wanted to hear the TOP 3 REASONS why you think YOUR SON is behaiving the way he is!!!!"


Right on. Yeah, it seems you didnt hear a word antigen said. We all know he is acting out. But why is he acting out? Like I said before, the main cause of my suicidal thoughts, depression, self mutilation, disrespect to my paretns was because of abuse I have suffered my whole life. If only I would have been able to deal with it and end it at an earlier age instead of now, I think I would have been a much happier person. And all a program did was tell me it didnt matter what happend to me in my life, I was responsible for my actions, I was just using the abuse as an excuse for my behavior. If there is something traumatic in his life that needs to be dealt with in an honest way, maybe that is where you need to start, not sending him away, expecially to a WWASP program.
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« Reply #95 on: December 06, 2005, 03:16:00 PM »
Sorry, not antigen, CCM girl.
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« Reply #96 on: December 06, 2005, 03:35:00 PM »
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"Top 3 reasons I think...



Well, part of the whole reason I'm posting here is because I'm in process of trying to figure that out.   But if I had to make my own guesses I would say that he is upset that his father isn't around or involved and has essentially ruined his own life.  Another part is that he was a smaller boy and more sensitive so got picked on a lot and then adopted a tough guy attitude to make up for it.  Another part is probably genetic.  I have since uncovered a long history of male anger on my mother's side and his father's father's sides of the family.  Part of it may be a learning disability that hasn't been  uncovered yet that has made him feel unsuccessful and got him labeled as a behavior problem that he is now living up to.  



I think a very very large part of his anger toward school has to do with his 5th grade teacher who singled him out despite my multiple visits and complaints.  



Also, for my own part, I think I didn't react soon enough!!  I'm not an overreactive parent so when he started having trouble I figured he was just going through a difficult time and I got him therapy and listened to him and talked with him, thinking with support he would outgrow it.  



"


Thank you, I didn't mean to be harsh, but it helps to know what you think the reasons might be for him acting out so we can give you ideas on how you might deal with this!

#1 You need to get him some kind of big brother. I know there are programs out there, but he needs to have a positive male role model, someone he can  talk to about man stuff with (sports, chicks, etc.).

#2 It sucks to be smaller when you are a guy. How small are we talking.....like jockey size, or what? (I'm just kidding, I often times wish I were a lot shorter, so I could have been a jockey, yes I am dead serious). But, on a serious note there are other sports out there besides basketball/football he can participate in. Soccer is great, baseball is a possibility, golf is such an "in thing" right now with Tiger Woods and all. He needs to have activities like this.

#3 Having a learning disability is tough. Kids can be cruel, and if you enroll him in special classes at public school, other kids may tease him. I would find a school that specializes in whatever learning disability he may have.
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« Reply #97 on: December 06, 2005, 04:08:00 PM »
Why are you spending so much time on the internet talking to complete strangers? You seem to be online for a large portion of the day, perhaps this time would be better spent doing something to help the situation with your son. Where is your son during the day? At school? Do you have a job? Aren't you a single mother? I'm just curious. This all seems a little weird- you spending so much time on fornits - making an obscure argument about programs. I could be totally wrong, but something smells a little fishy.
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« Reply #98 on: December 06, 2005, 04:13:00 PM »
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"Why are you spending so much time on the internet talking to complete strangers? You seem to be online for a large portion of the day, perhaps this time would be better spent doing something to help the situation with your son. Where is your son during the day? At school? Do you have a job? Aren't you a single mother? I'm just curious. This all seems a little weird- you spending so much time on fornits - making an obscure argument about programs. I could be totally wrong, but something smells a little fishy."
Naw -- I was in the same place a couple of years ago.  She is looking for answers, needs to be home all day worrying,afraid to have a life of her own, the internet serves as a great source of info, takes your mind off of the worry as you wait for him to come home etc,etc.  Perfectly normal considering the circumstances.
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« Reply #99 on: December 06, 2005, 04:15:00 PM »
Well, I don't know about Mom, but I am packing up my whole house as we speak! I take small breaks from time to time to post. My hubby, and I bought a home, and we are signing docs today at the title company! In fact, I better jump in the shower to get ready........bye!
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« Reply #100 on: December 06, 2005, 04:31:00 PM »
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"Well, I don't know about Mom, but I am packing up my whole house as we speak! I take small breaks from time to time to post. My hubby, and I bought a home, and we are signing docs today at the title company! In fact, I better jump in the shower to get ready........bye!"
Congrats -- good luck
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« Reply #101 on: December 06, 2005, 05:56:00 PM »
"Naw -- I was in the same place a couple of years ago. She is looking for answers, needs to be home all day worrying,afraid to have a life of her own, the internet serves as a great source of info, takes your mind off of the worry as you wait for him to come home etc,etc. Perfectly normal considering the circumstances.
Hang in there."

Yes, thank you.  I am not on the computer all day.  But after I've made all the phone calls, driven around for hours looking for him, I have nothing left to do but wait.  Especially at night when all the businesses are closed.  I'm a student so I'm also at the computer a lot anyway.  I work part-time, mostly out of the home, and you guessed it, at the computer.  

This forum, right now is my sanity.  Into the wee hours of the night, when I'm worried, this helps me to feel like I'm doing something when there is nothing else I can do at that time.  Getting any answers, insight I can.  I don't expect everyone to understand, but I do appreciate those that do.  I'm  not pretending to be a perfect parent, but I'm not abusive, or alcoholic, I don't have a revolving door of boyfriends, I spend time with my family.  I'm not an ogre.  I'm a worried mother and for better or worse, this forum is providing me with a place to vent and get feedback.
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« Reply #102 on: December 06, 2005, 08:13:00 PM »
I just caught up on 3 pages of this discussion in five minutes.  Like CCM girl, I find I can check in daily without losing much time out of my life.
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« Reply #103 on: December 06, 2005, 10:57:00 PM »
I'm the type of person, if I could save the world I would. If it didn't take so much darn schooling, I would be a shrink, and a great one at that! But,I don't have the time to invest in school, and that's okay. I do my "do goods" through this site, and I am okay with that. Some people are able to do more, and for that I am thankful. I don't believe in WWASPS or the majority of the programs out there, but I do believe in the home, as being the best enviroment possible. I'm not sure when all these places really started, as far as what year?!! But, I know they did not always exist, there fore they are a luxury. A way of parents off loading there kids, and making their lives easier. My advice to those parents out there with difficult teens.........try things the old fasioned way :smile:.
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« Reply #104 on: December 07, 2005, 08:09:00 AM »
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On 2005-12-06 09:36:00, famjaztique wrote:



"I love that idea but I don't have the money.  I am trying to get the school district to pay for an RTC and that's a fight in itself.  Trying to get them to pay for him to study abroad is a no go.



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Concerns about residential care primarily relate to criteria for admission; inconsistency of community-based treatment established in the 1980s; the costliness of such services (Friedman & Street, 1985); the risks of treatment, including failure to learn behavior needed in the community; the possibility of trauma associated with the separation from the family; difficulty reentering the family or even abandonment by the family; victimization by RTC staff; and learning of antisocial or bizarre behavior from intensive exposure to other disturbed children (Barker, 1998). These concerns are discussed below.





In the past, admission to an RTC has been justified on the basis of community protection, child protection, and benefits of residential treatment per se (Barker, 1982). However, none of these justifications have stood up to research scrutiny. In particular, youth who display seriously violent and aggressive behavior do not appear to improve in such settings, according to limited evidence (Joshi & Rosenberg, 1997).





http://www.enterthefreudianslip.com/sur ... ential.htm





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Ok, I'm ready.  Show me your "positive research" on RTC's.  I hope it's some real research and not just more pro-program bias that ruins so many people's credibility in these discussions...





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Yes, I read that long ago.  It really doesnt apply to the facilities we are talking about here.  I can give you a link to someone who spent a few years at an RTC in Massachusetts interviewing and living with the kids thru their journey from beginning to end.  It is a fascinating study on the treatment centers strengths and weaknesses.

Its a good read for those who are interested in a journalists point of view.



http://www.davemarcus.com/"

A journalist?  That's your "positive research?"  Gimme a break already.  You people are SO TIRED in your responses to basic questions.

A parent should trust a journalist's OPINION rather than the LONGITUDUNAL RESEARCH STUDIES of trained professionals in the psychiatric arena?

It really amazes me still, that after all these years there has never been even ONE SINGLE STUDY to show effectiveness of RTC's (read the definition from the study, "RTC" covers "behavior modification programs").  Again, all you have is glossy brochures with quotes from a journalist.  With all that income, one would think the programs could have commissioned proper research by proper professionals to assess their efficacy.  ALL relevent research concludes that RTC's are not effective in most of the cases researched and, in many cases, cause real psychological/social damages to the children and some even become victims of crime including abusive/perverse behaviors by staff or other more extreme patients.

These are the "schools" "program" supporters are referring perfectly normal kids to every day for TONS of money all for one end : HUGE PROFITS.

What I can't understand yet is why a parent will go for the glossy brochure over the judgment of real seasoned professionals?  "There's one born every minute..."
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