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« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2005, 07:25:00 PM »
great fucking point right there
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« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2005, 07:33:00 PM »
My son doesn't hate me.  He still hugs me every day and won't go to bed without saying goodnight.  And I'm divorced because my ex-husband started to become abusive.  Finally, I have no intention of putting my son in a lock down where he will be abused.  I was "looking into RTC's".  I was INVESTIGATING it.  I think you might have missed that somehow.  I would never put him somewhere that would add to his anxiety and hurt.  I was looking for something that would offer him structure that he couldn't manipulate his way out of.  I am one parent.  I can offer him all the structure I can provide but I can't be here every second of every day to follow him around.  

But whatever, in the end, it doesn't matter what I say to some of you.  I have, in fact, gotten some very sage advice from a few people on here who are able to see past their own anger.  (Thank you.) I'm sure some parents just ship their kids off because they don't want to deal with them.  That is not the case here and you are barking up the wrong tree.
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« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2005, 07:36:00 PM »
famjaztique, good luck and my prayers are with you babe...I know how you feel right now. Hold back the tears and STAY STRONG..
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« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2005, 07:40:00 PM »
"You said in a previous post that your sons bad parent was his father. Hmm. perhaps then, the reason for his defiance is his feelings towards his dad. My step mom was abusive to me and my brother since I was age 3. I have been physically and mentally abused by her my whole life. My mother was a good mom, my step dad was a good dad, HOWEVER, because of the treatemnt I recieved from my step mom none of that mattered. I was horrible to my mom, even though I had no reason to be really. I think in retrospect, I was angry with her for not stopping the abuse. Perhaps the reason really isnt you, but sending him off to a WWASP program will not help, at least not for long. I was good and brainwashed by the program and I really was "well behaved" for a while, becuase I was so scared of ever making mistakes. But it was a short term solution that only worked short term. It would be intersting to hear your whole story, how your son grew up, what his father was like, etc etc. Sometimes without even meaning to or realizing it, inderectly you can mess your kid up. My parents divorce and remmarige set the course for depression and major anxiety for a long time. It was only after being de-programed that I really am a whole happy person now. I certainly still hate the program, I hate what they do to kids, what they did to me, and I feel I have every right to be. I still get angry with my parents for sending me there, considering the reason I was depressed and suicidal was becuase I had been abused by my step mom ( the very person who suggested a program to "fix" me) for so long. Anyway, I will stop rambling now. I just really hope you can think LOOOONG and hard before you see WWASP as your final solution. Because really it isnt a soultion, it will only make things worse. If you want a kid who will be able to think for himself, WWASP is not the answer."

Thanks for your thoughtful response.  I know that my son is in pain and I know that some of it is from his Dad.  He's also a very sensitive kid who has turned to anger to protect himself.  You have to understand, I'm looking for a nurturing but strict environment for him.  He has become a master at manipulating.  He's incredibly smart.  In my gut, I feel that the best thing that could happen to him is that he was in a consistent environment where all the people working with him were in constant contact with one another.    A small teacher to child ratio where he can't just slip through the cracks another day.  When my child skips school, sometimes the school fails to call me.  He has walked out of school three times.  I can't be there with him in school and still provide for him.  If I could, I would.  I would walk him into school every day and sit right there alongside him and make sure he wrote down everything, and behaved, and be there to protect him if a teacher was bullying or another child was. Because the fact is, bullying happens in public schools too.  There have been so many instances in fact that I am seeking an educational lawyer to protect my son's rights in the school setting.  

Despite poster's conclusions, I am a parent who cares.
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« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2005, 07:47:00 PM »
I can tell you care, things WILL get better..You seem like a great mom, like my mom even..Stay tough, but keep loving!! :smile:
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« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2005, 12:26:00 AM »
Thank you for those of you that offered support or advice that was useful.  My son came home at 10:00 tonight.  I had been calling everyone and was about 10 minutes away from calling the police.  It is COLD here!  

When he came home, he knew he had really pushed things and he was willing to talk.  We had a heart to heart and I gave him several choices.  One of those choices was an RTC, Swift River Academy, but it is the last choice.  He has one month to get in shape at school and to start taking more responsibility in his life.  He said, on his own, that he loves his home and he doesn't really know why he is being so ungrateful or hateful.  He apologized and hugged me.  It could me more manipulation of course, but I hope not.  That is why, however, I gave him the choices, and made it very clear I intend to act as is necessary should he not keep up with his end of the bargain.  

We negotiated a curfew together and I stated what I expected of him and what he could expect from me in return.  

So, keep your fingers crossed everyone.  I'm sure there will be mistakes made, but hopefully they will be in the less harmful range.  The saving grace is that we do still have a very strong bond and when the shit hits the proverbial fan, he knows he still has me at his back.

take care everyone.
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« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2005, 10:57:00 AM »
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On 2005-12-04 21:26:00, famjaztique wrote:

"Thank you for those of you that offered support or advice that was useful.  My son came home at 10:00 tonight.  I had been calling everyone and was about 10 minutes away from calling the police.  It is COLD here!  



When he came home, he knew he had really pushed things and he was willing to talk.  We had a heart to heart and I gave him several choices.  One of those choices was an RTC, Swift River Academy, but it is the last choice.  He has one month to get in shape at school and to start taking more responsibility in his life.  He said, on his own, that he loves his home and he doesn't really know why he is being so ungrateful or hateful.  He apologized and hugged me.  It could me more manipulation of course, but I hope not.  That is why, however, I gave him the choices, and made it very clear I intend to act as is necessary should he not keep up with his end of the bargain.  



We negotiated a curfew together and I stated what I expected of him and what he could expect from me in return.  



So, keep your fingers crossed everyone.  I'm sure there will be mistakes made, but hopefully they will be in the less harmful range.  The saving grace is that we do still have a very strong bond and when the shit hits the proverbial fan, he knows he still has me at his back.



take care everyone.  "


It seems to me that we were able to help this parent. I have been gone all weekend, so I had to catch up all the posts. I was a little concerned a couple pages back, when she stated "this is going to be my last post". I'm pleased that she returned, and I am thrilled to hear that she was able to sit down with her son, and have that heart to heart. A lot of times I think parents get frusterated, and send their kids away, because they don't know how to communicate effectively with them. Once you have been given the tools for effective communicating, it's enjoyable to use them. You are able to become even closer with your kids then you maybe even imagined. Nobody is perfect, and if everyone was we'd never have to have parenting. Our Mom's would give birth, we'd hit the ground running, and start living on our own immediately.
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.

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« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2005, 01:25:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-04 21:26:00, famjaztique wrote:

"Thank you for those of you that offered support or advice that was useful.  My son came home at 10:00 tonight.  I had been calling everyone and was about 10 minutes away from calling the police.  It is COLD here!  



When he came home, he knew he had really pushed things and he was willing to talk.  We had a heart to heart and I gave him several choices.  One of those choices was an RTC, Swift River Academy, but it is the last choice.  He has one month to get in shape at school and to start taking more responsibility in his life.  He said, on his own, that he loves his home and he doesn't really know why he is being so ungrateful or hateful.  He apologized and hugged me.  It could me more manipulation of course, but I hope not.  That is why, however, I gave him the choices, and made it very clear I intend to act as is necessary should he not keep up with his end of the bargain.  



We negotiated a curfew together and I stated what I expected of him and what he could expect from me in return.  



So, keep your fingers crossed everyone.  I'm sure there will be mistakes made, but hopefully they will be in the less harmful range.  The saving grace is that we do still have a very strong bond and when the shit hits the proverbial fan, he knows he still has me at his back.



take care everyone.  "
Wow thats great, hang in there, stay strong.  Its good that you let him know what his options are, it may help him to turn around quicker and open up something common to talk about.  It also looks like you did your homework "Academy at Swift River" is one of the better schools, no fences, no abuse, visit when you want, involves the whole family and they work with each to define academic goals for each kid so when he comes home he can pick up where he left off.
Thanks for sharing your struggle, let us know how you both make out.
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« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2005, 02:44:00 PM »
Search WWF for ASR.
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« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2005, 03:14:00 PM »
I did just that and it sounds like Academy at Swift River is just as a bad as any other program. The accounts of the abuse is familiar and the people who are pro-Academy at Swift River say the same brainwashed things as other ex-program kids do.
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« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2005, 03:20:00 PM »
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"I did just that and it sounds like Academy at Swift River is just as a bad as any other program. The accounts of the abuse is familiar and the people who are pro-Academy at Swift River say the same brainwashed things as other ex-program kids do. "


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« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2005, 04:03:00 PM »
The reports of abuse are much fewer, and this school is actually within driving distance of my home.  And also, give me some credit, I would make sure that our contract stated "no restraints"  and no other stuff.  I would be able to visit when I wanted, have contact with my son, and make sure that everything was ok with him.  

The basic problem is, that when kids get on a destructive path, sometimes just talking doesn't help.  This isn't the first heart to heart we've had.   We've had many.  And he has basically said each time that he would start cleaning up his act at school and not get into trouble.  And then a month later we're right back where we started.  

The difference THIS time is that I'm saying he has four options for school.  Start doing better in his current school or I will homeschool or he can choose a smaller school.  Option 4 is Swift River or another of three day schools in the area.  I was very firm that without steady progress on his part, we would have to move to other options.  

Anyway, I thank you all for your input and support with the exception of those who felt the need to just slam me.  It wasn't mature or appropriate or helpful.  

And for the record, those who are saying that jail would have been better than an RTC, for some I believe that is true.  However, I think that you all should take a long hard look at the statistics of folks who are incarcerated.
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« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2005, 05:13:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-05 13:03:00, famjaztique wrote:

"The reports of abuse are much fewer, and this school is actually within driving distance of my home.  And also, give me some credit, I would make sure that our contract stated "no restraints"  and no other stuff.  I would be able to visit when I wanted, have contact with my son, and make sure that everything was ok with him.  


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Careful with this. It's easy to say this now, but there's a chance that they may not even accept your son if they are not allowed to restrain him. It doesn't happen nearly as much as people on these boards would make you believe, but kids go over the edge at these schools and for the safety of staff and fellow students alike, they must be restrained. You may know your son isn't capable of that, but they don't know that.

Visits will be limited as well. They will see it as unfair that your son is getting more visits than others, and do everything in their power to dissuade you from doing so. There have been cases where students have been expelled from these schools because their parents couldn't agree to things like this. Sorry, that's just how it is.

I understand your situation, I'm not trying to slam you, but I think as much investigating as you have done, you're still ignoring a few important things.
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« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2005, 05:47:00 PM »
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Search WWF for ASR."
Just spent about an hour reading posts from ASR on WWF, not bad.  A few people report problems with a person named Rudy but he has left the program.  I think your local high school student would slam his school more than I've seen here.
Looks like a place that may be a good fit if he is accepted.  ASR will not accept all applicants, it is a good idea to speak with them first to get an idea if your son or daughter is a good fit for the program, (they dont use illegal restraints).  They only accept kids who seem to be able to do the work to be successful.  This should only be a last resort.
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« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2005, 05:55:00 PM »
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Search WWF for ASR."
Thanks for the suggestion, I searched "ASR" and then compared it to a search for "SEED" and then tried "Thayer" and a couple others (there is a lot going on here).  What a difference, you were right.  It seems really expensive, but only a couple of people complained out of hundreds of graduates.  A few complained that their parents were spending their Inheritance.
I like the search function that you have here!
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