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[GregFL]

The threats, made regularly by staff, of being sent to some hardcore prisons where you would almost be certainly beaten and raped was part of the implied violence made by staff that we discussed in other threads.  

Yep.  It was also an overt threat in St Pete if you had come in with drugs, or if you parents had found drugs, because they turned it over to the seed who threatened to give it to the police if you didn't comply.  The St Petersburg police chief was a seed parent and squarely in the "get straight or go to jail" camp.  With this squarely over your head,   Then you would be subjected to the "anal-rape prison" raps, discussions, and implied threats. In reality, the threat of doing serious time, even then, was more a scare tactic than anything else.

These frightening scare tactics did more to make people have the 'three day miracle' than anything else.  In reality, the 20 year in raiford scare was highly unlikely, unless you were sentenced to the seed for shooting someone in an armed robbery.

Anyone?

[Antigen]

On 2005-12-03 03:39:00, TRUCKER wrote:

I am pretty sure that my 18 months at the mind controlling Seed was much better than the 20 years at florida's hotel at Raiford. What do ya think?

No doubt about it. But it's not a fair comparrison. In order to earn a spot in Raiford, you have to be convicted of a serious crime by a jury. And even then, you can appeal. There was no such screening process at the Seed. If you're parents or the courts were freaked out enough about you're having been suspected of smoking pot (or thinking about it) you got an intake "interview", whereupon all of their worst fears and more were confirmed by a highly skilled team of experts who just happened to be 16yo kids.

Its to bad we all dont live in countries like singapore where programs like the Seed dont exist.

Trucker, you can't be serious! Singapore is what I imagine the Seed would have been had Art managed to commandeer his own private island state.

The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451524934/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>O'Brien, the apparatchik

[Antigen]

On 2005-12-03 12:56:00, GregFL wrote:

These frightening scare tactics did more to make people have the 'three day miracle' than anything else. In reality, the 20 year in raiford scare was highly unlikely, unless you were sentenced to the seed for shooting someone in an armed robbery.

Anyone?

Well, in a sane world, yeah, it was just an idle threat; a really dirty trick to play on ignorant kids. But in St. Pete and, for a time, in Ft. Lauderdale? It was no threat.

Program friendly judges pulled all sorts of bogus shit on various people. You got arrested in another state, didn't you? I was extradited from Georgia to Florida for the "crime" of being a runaway. 17 was the default age of emancipation in Georgia and I was about 3 months from my 18th birthday. They tried kidnapping me from my bed, tried getting me arrested on bullshit allegations, then got some program friendly judge in Florida to sign a fucking extradition order. Never mind that they don't bother extraditing car thieves and only rarely go to the trouble for violent criminals. This judge evidently bought in hook, line and sinker to the lie that he was just bending the rules (what we quaintly call "laws") in order to save a kids life.

Crazy fucking times, man. And this is pretty much what Janet Rambo's much vaunted Drug Courts do day in and day out.

Our country has deliberately undertaken a great social and economic experimanet, noble in motive and far-reaching in purpose. [The Eighteenth Amendment, enacting Prohibition.]
Letter to Senator W.H. Borah
--Herbert Hoover (Feb 28, 1928)

[Anonymous]

actually, I was never arrested there, just "detained" and thrown in an adult jail for three days, driven to the airport under escort and flown to Tampa, where it got real weird from there.

[marshall]

Its to bad we all dont live in countries like singapore where programs like the Seed dont exist.

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"Trucker, you can't be serious! Singapore is what I imagine the Seed would have been had Art managed to commandeer his own private island state."

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Took the words right out of my mouth, Ginger. Singapore itself is like one big Seed program in many ways. Internet censorhip, media censorhip, public whipping for spitting chewing gum on the sidewalk. I don't see where the government of Singapore would have any objection at all to seed-type programs...as long as they were sufficiently 'patriotic'.

http://www.newsintercom.org/index.php?itemid=280

"In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird."

- George Orwell, 1984

[JaLong]

Marc, thank you for your tender words. I don't come to this site that often anymore, so sorry this thank you is late getting to you. Sure I had some bad experiences in the seed, but not all that bad. Having my rapist right in front of my face for months being a staff memeber was not too cool. But as I said before,we got together many years later and he apologized whole heartely to me. All traumas or trials I have had in my past are healed, and I have grown to be the woman I am today because of them. Life does go on, and I choose not to dwell on the past.Again, Thank you Marc