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Offline RobertBruce

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« on: November 17, 2005, 05:57:00 PM »
Recently a number of questions have been raised concerning whether or not HLA is liscened as they should be.

The answer is no.

HLA has lied to the state since its inception claiming that they are a traditional boarding school where the emphasis is on education.

However the website and what the told the parents and education consultants was a very different story.

In that respect it claimed it was a theraputic boarding school with an emphasis on therapy.

Its admission policy seemed to fall more in line with that it was a theraputic boarding school. I mean how many traditional ones require an evaluation and recomendation by a psychologist?

So now the question arises, is it a theraputic boarding school or not?

If it is then why isnt HLA licensed as one?

If it isnt then why is there so much emphasis placed on therapy?

Perhaps it is a theraputic boarding school as their website claimed, but does not mention that to the state for various reasons.

Namely a few simple policies they would be forced to follow.

1. Food cannot be rationed.

2. Physical labor cannot be used as a punishment.

3. A state represenative must be available for greivances.

You know those little things HLA has a current policy which they may not want to change around.

I know Deborah had a full listing off all the regs that would apply. Perhaps she could be generous enough to post those again for us.

Id be interested to see if any of Buchi's puppets can address these questions or if theyd rather pretend they dont exist.

Maybe we will get lucky and Buch himself will drop by and put some of these questions to rest.

We can hope cant we?
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2005, 12:08:00 AM »
Interesting points, all ones Im sure Buch would rather we didnt bring up.

So how about Buch? We already know you have your stooges monitor these sites and report back to you.

So go ahead step up to the plate and be a man about it.

Tell us whether or not HLA is a theraputic boarding school or not.

Answer the quesitons put to you.

If your "school" really is such a good place you should have nothing to hide.
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2005, 04:16:00 PM »
It should be common sense that IRS is not going to allow tax deductions for expenses related to education at a private boarding school. IRS also does not allow deductions for programs that provide discipline and structure. This Ruling states: ?a parent who sends a defiant son to military school is not doing this to overcome a mental or physical disorder, but to provide discipline and ordinary education.? Therefore, expenses are not deductible.
http://tinyurl.com/uotqb

This Ruling indicates that the kid must have a ?disease/disorder? that requires ?medical treatment?.
http://tinyurl.com/y7jgrz

While BM for the 'treatment' of drug addiction is considered a medical expense, the Ruling clarifies: ??.a person attending the program to resolve bad personal attitudes in a structured environment does not receive medical care, and none of the expenses are deductible. This form of ?behavior modification? does not treat a medical condition.?

Further clarification:
Educational expenses ? Medical care deduction. While ordinary education is not medical care, the cost of attending a special school for a mentally or physically handicapped individual is a medical
expense where alleviation of the handicap is a principal reason for attending the school. Reg. Section 1.213-1(e)(1)(v)(a).
A school will be considered "special" when its PRIMARY FUNCTION IS TO FURNISH MEDICAL CARE, and EDUCATION IS ONLY INCIDENTAL to that function. A portion of tuition payments made for attendance at a regular school that provides special programs may also qualify for the medical care deduction. A taxpayer must specifically ascertain and document the cost attributable to medical care  (i.e., the portion of tuition directly attributable to the special program that qualifies as medical care).
Fischer v. Commissioner, 50 T.C. 164 (1968), acq. 1969-2 C.B. 24.

Why would HLA refer to Revenue Ruling. 58-280
http://www.taxlinks.com/rulings/1958/revrul58-280.htm
when informing parents that tuition may be deductible
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#51841

58-280 states, in part:
However, it is now concluded that where an individual is in an institution because his condition is such that the availability of medical care in such institution is a principal reason for his presence there and meals and lodging are furnished as a necessary incident to such care, the entire cost of medical care and meals and lodging at the institution, which are furnished while the individual requires continual medical care, constitute an expense for medical care. In other words, medical care includes the entire cost of institutional care for a person who is mentally ill and unsafe when left alone.

Same would apply to Insurance coverage. They are not going to pay for ?tuition? to a private boarding school unless the facility proves they are ?treating? a legitimate diagnosed ?medical problem?.

So, it seems perfectly rational to conclude that if HLA?s  primary purpose is not education and parents are taking tax deductions and filing insurance claims, that HLA is not a traditional private boarding school? That they would indeed meet the definition of some kind of Special School or Therapeutic Institution.  We all know that the participants are primarily there to have their behavior modified. To ?treat? ODD and a host of other psych diagnoses. Academics are secondary, incidental.

Has anyone here ever heard of a child applying to HLA strictly for the stellar education they would receive there? Would any child attend HLA strictly for education without being a participant in the therapeutic program? Do kids remain at HLA to finish their high school education when the 18-22 month program is complete? Do Ed Cons refer clients to HLA who are looking for a traditional boarding school?

Given that we all know that HLA is a therapeutic facility that happens to board and educate kids, they should be required to possess a license.

Again, Ga Regs state:
(b) "Child caring institution" means any institution, society, agency, or facility, whether incorporated or not, which either primarily or incidentally provides full-time care for children under 17 years of age outside of their own homes, subject to such exceptions as may be provided in rules and regulations of the Board of Human Resources. For purposes of these rules, a child caring institution means any institution, society, agency, or facility that provides such care to six or more children.*

Exemption:
Any bona fide boarding school whose PRIMARY purpose of admission is EDUCATION?? and shall not provide SERVICE PLANNING and CASEWORK SERVICES as described in the licensing rules.

Traditional Boarding School? Not hardly. The question remains- Why does Ga ORS, and many other state licensing departments, allow this at HLA other programs?
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2005, 01:21:00 PM »
Posted by a physician in another thread...

"My experience with Hidden Lake Academy was also distressing.

In my opinion, and the opinions of the six other physicians in my practice who followed my HLA misadventure with me, HLA is a predator whose prey is the horrified parents of disturbed teens. It is an institution of opportunity, bringing home its bottom line at the expense of the desperate, frazzled families it exploits.

By the time most parents are introduced to HLA, they've already been through a costly and demoralizing gauntlet of police stations, court appearances, counselor visits, psychiatric evaluations...even hospital visits.

To say they are desperate is an understatement. They are trying to keep their families from self-destructing. In most cases, the only option is turning the child out onto the streets: most insurance policies won't cover mental health care, and even if a family is lucky enough to have good coverage, it is limited to short, individual events. Deeply needed inpatient care is rarely an option for most of these families.

So even considering a modality such as a therapeutic boarding school is a true extravagance. Actually sending the student may mean mortgaging a home, selling it, or even bancruptcy.

Enter Hidden Lake and its ilk.

I was asked by the parents of a young teen to evaluate HLA by its Web site. What stood out to me even more than the philosophy that medical therapy was discouraged were the many typographical errors and careless mistakes on nearly every page of the site. While my own writing is not perfect, I am not registered as a boarding school, responsible for the education of children, presumably overflowing with teachers more than capable of proofreading the very materials provided to the public for the purpose of attracting business.

When I brought my concerns to the attention to the school, they were received with, well, less than warm gratitude. My comments to HLA were meant to be constructive. I was gracious and self-effacing in my original letter because the last thing I wanted was to offend the school. Clearly such niceties were a waste of effort.

Given that the parents are expected to pay upwards of seven thousand dollars per month for the privilege of sending their child to a therapeutic boarding school, I actually expected a minimum of civility. None was evident.

My credentials were questioned?this from an institution whose methods are questionable, at best, from a medical (and psychiatric, I might add) point of view.

Fast forward a few months...and imagine how surprised I was to come across the story of the parent in the previous posts. Am I shocked HLA will not send the child's transcripts? Nope. They demonstrated their pettiness, immaturity, and curious vindictiveness to me, a peer and potential referral base a long time ago. Was I surprised that personal belongings, including necessary daily medications, were sent COD?by ground? Actually, yes.

Not only did that shock me, it caused me to pick up the phone and discuss this gross mismanagement of a patient's medications with a malpractice attorney, who recommends HLA check to be sure their insurance premiums are paid.

To the parent: my suggestion is that you alert your attorney to your experience. Gather all proof of your allegations, including the boxes the personal effects were sent in, the COD receipt(s), the condition of any damaged items, a list of missing items, if any, and proof of payments made to HLA. Regardless of any contract signed (as a previous Anonymous poster cryptically stated), a minimum level of responsibility to the patient's health is required by ANY institution. That minimum includes making reasonable arrangements for the patient to have access to their medications. COD shipping by ground is not, by any standard, "reasonable."

So guess what, parent? You may be getting a sizeable percentage of the "investment" HLA coerced you to pay them right back into your pocket.

I'll be cheering for you from this sideline."

UNBIASED OUTSIDE OPINION BY MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL SAYS HLA IS "PREDATOR" VICTIMIZING PARENTS AND CHILDREN.  WAKE UP, PEOPLE.   :skull:
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2005, 02:35:00 PM »
traditional boarding school?
there's certainly no confusion in this staff's mind about HLAs classification.

I know that from this side of the fence, it is difficult to hear all the negative things that are being said. I chose to work at HLA b/c I believe in the concept of a therapeutic boarding school. I don't expect anyone to be thrilled with their time there. But HLA is there b/c someone, lots of someones, care about what happens to kids. I know everyone has different ways of working with people...kids and adults....not all of those are always positive. Things are the way they are b/c each person filters the rules and curriculum through his or her own experiences.

I haven't been there very long, and I don't know what it's like to watch people drive down the road when I have to stay. However, there is a reason that you and all of your HLA-mates were sent there. It's a big thing to accept responsibility for your actions and be able to admit that as crappy as it was/is....you needed something to help you get your shit together. I love the fact that you're honest with what you feel about your experiences, and I love hearing about what happens once your time is up. It's good you have this...there is strength in numbers.

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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2005, 03:41:00 PM »
Thank you for being honest about the fact that HLA is according to the staff a theraputic boarding school, and is in fact lying to the state regarding their purpose.

However.

I will take issue with some of your other statements.

Some (not all) students did need something to help them get their shit together. Some however (myself among them) were sent there for no reason whatsoever and were made to suffer through it without reason. Further, although many did need something to help them get their shit together HLA was not nessecarily it.

HLA takes the approach of a cookie cutter therapy. One size fits all. Unfortuatly it does not always work like that. They also employed a great deal of abusive and brainwashing tactics that would be hard pressed to benefit anyone.

Im not saying no one was ever helped by HLA. Im simply stating the fact that many were not, many were hurt by it. As well many never needed to be there in the first place. As well any small amount of good HLA may do is probably cancelled out by the overwhelmingly negative aspects which have been the brunt of these conversations.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2005, 01:33:00 PM »
HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY ACCREDITATION
(December 7, 1999) Rusty Ray, Director of Academics at Hidden Lake Academy (HLA), Dahlonega, Georgia, 706-864-4730, A STRUCTURED RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL, announced the school has been accepted as a Candidate for Accreditation with the Southeastern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS). SACS has stringent requirements, and a school must be in existence for at least five years before it can even begin the process of applying for accreditation. In the negotiations, Ray reported, the representatives of SACS were so impressed with what HLA was doing that they recommended they apply for accreditation as a TRADITIONAL PRIVATE SCHOOL, which has higher academic requirements than the category the school started the application with as a Special Purpose school.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een01.html

HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY SACS ACCREDITATION APPROVED
(September 21, 2001) Hidden Lake Academy, Dahlonega, Georgia, 800-394-0640, a THERAPEUTIC COED BOARDING SCHOOL for ages 13 ? 17, has been ?approved for accreditation with Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS) as a TRADITIONAL, NONPUBLIC SCHOOL. The criteria for this accreditation are far more stringent than those required for a Special Needs School.?
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een01.html

HIDDEN LAKE ACAD. ACCREDITED BY SACS AS TRADITIONAL SCHOOL
(December 9, 2001) Dr. Len Buccellato, founder and Chairman of Hidden Lake Academy, Dahlonega, GA, 800-394-0640, was recognized by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, (SACS) at the SACS Annual Conference in New Orleans, LA, for being the first THERAPEUTIC BOARDING SCHOOL nationwide to achieve full academic accreditation as a TRADITIONAL SCHOOL.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... heard.html

Structured Residential School
Traditional Private School
Special Purpose School
Therapeutic Boarding School
Traditional NonPublic School
5-part, 18 month Program
aka Emotional Growth School

Chameleon?  Based on the situation?

As for SACS requirements for a Traditional BS being ?far more stringent?, they may be in terms of ?academics?. What are the requirements for the primary purpose- Therapeutic?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#83063

We?ll have to see just how stringent SACS requirements are, if they see fit to accredit an RTC that was shut down by the Tx DPRS. They were previously a wilderness program, re-opening in the same location as an ?Academy?. The state will no longer place kids at the new facility.
Semantics. Slight of hand.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#120646

NATSAP has graciously taken them into their fold. May have even advised them of the benefits of changing classifications.
http://natsap.org/programs_list.asp
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2005, 03:30:00 PM »
Further proof that HLA claims to be two seperate things. Both a theraputic boarding school, and a traditional boarding school. Which ever is more convienent at the time.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2005, 02:06:00 AM »
No.  They claim to be a therapeutic school, but also meet the requirements of a traditional school according to SACS.  Most people see this as a good thing.  In fact, it is a big selling point for the school.

Do you really not understand that Robert?  It is not that difficult.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2005, 02:15:00 AM »
I see it as shiftless. When the licensing agents come around "Oh no! We're exempt, we're just your run-o-the-mill private accademic school! Similar to Hogwarts" But when a good mark comes along, "Well hell yeah! Call the escort service at 1-800-BeA-Punk and we'll snatch him outa his bed at night, cuffed and drugged if need be, for some miraculous rehabilitation!"

Which is closer to the truth?

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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2005, 02:20:00 AM »
Niether of those comments are anywhere near the truth.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2005, 07:54:00 AM »
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On 2005-12-17 23:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Niether of those comments are anywhere near the truth."
And your brain is cooked on meth.  This is EXACTLY how it goes down.  I've personally seen it MANY TIMES.
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2005, 09:46:00 AM »
I second that -- believe me and this person above, that does happen.  Just a little over 50% of the kids that were there when I was were escorted.  I was escorted from my fifth program to RCI, but my parents took me from RCI to HLA.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2005, 10:14:00 AM »
Your fifth program??? Damn dude
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