Liscensure Questions

[WestSideStud2430]

Actually, it wasn't narcing out.  They had told my Mom to use her discretion and if she believed I was ready, I could.  And then they turned it around on her once the visit was over.

[RobertBruce]

I was gonna say if she did pull a bait and punish she learned it from them, but it looks like it was just HLA acting pretty typically.

Tell me what is the benefits of such a tactic?

[Anonymous]

ahhh the good ol bait and punish
laura baucom. worse counselor in the history of that place. ALWAYS did that shit. she'd come to me like she gave a shit about my problems, then when i started taking about them would put me on restriction for things, even sent me on challenges to "think".

gotta love hla therapy. you know, i've talked to many doctors, many psychologists, and many professors, all of whoms opinion i respect more than a bunch of kids, or a bunch of adults, which is really all any of you are to me. they all said that if a therapist can take punitive measures against a client, then the relationship is not the sort of relationship that breeds productive psychotherapy. how are you supposed to be honest with fear of punishment constantly looming? even animals, through stimuli, can be taught that if something causes anguish of any sort, that they should not continue to do it. case in point. when i learned that whenever i would open up about anything and actually try and give the theraputic side of hidden lake a chance, i would get in trouble. so i stopped caring, and learned to tune hla out. to survive, to just get by and wait it out.



just food for thought.




dan pg 26

[RobertBruce]

Please any of you puppets try and respond to this, just please let me see any of you refute this.

This is EXACTLY what I told my counsolers while an inmate at HLA.

Dan's post just killed this thread, because none of you will have the balls or the brains to respond. Not even you Aften what with your massive testicals and all.

[Anonymous]

Okay.  I will refute it.  

Poor actions equal negative consequences.  It is a fact of life.  If you don't want negative consequences, don't do negative actions.  Unfortunately, Dan never learned to stop blaming others for his actions.  He thinks he went on a challenge because he opened up, when in reality it was because of his poor behavior.  If Dan could take a look at himself and take responsibility for his actions he would stop blaming others.

Dan stopped caring because it was easier to do that than to accept responsibility for himself.  Fortunately, most students that attend HLA do learn to accept personal responsibility and form very close relationships with their counselors.
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[RobertBruce]

On 2005-12-21 12:27:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Okay.  I will refute it.  



Poor actions equal negative consequences.  It is a fact of life.  If you don't want negative consequences, don't do negative actions.  Unfortunately, Dan never learned to stop blaming others for his actions.  He thinks he went on a challenge because he opened up, when in reality it was because of his poor behavior.  If Dan could take a look at himself and take responsibility for his actions he would stop blaming others.



Dan stopped caring because it was easier to do that than to accept responsibility for himself.  Fortunately, most students that attend HLA do learn to accept personal responsibility and form very close relationships with their counselors.



"

You didnt refute that at all, you barely addressed the issue, of those who we are supposed to be able to trust are the ones punishing us for doing just that.

You evaded it because you have no response. Thanks.

Now to address your other equally retarded comments.

You have no clue what Dan's actions were while at HLA. You have no idea why he was sent out into the woods. Why pretend otherwise? Many people were punished for inconsequential things, or for being accused of a crime but not being guilty. I know of one student in particular who was placed on a fall in simply because he was close to graduating and had never been on one before.

Also who are you to speak for "most students"? How many of them have you known and spoken to? The ones I speak with (hundreds) usually hated their counsolers. The ones they didnt were the non sadistic ones who were generally fired or quit because they couldnt stand the enviornment any longer. I personally couldnt stand most of my counsolers, and it had nothing to do with "not accepting respondsibility for my actions" it had to do with the fact that they sought out crimes and problems for us and sought to make each kid there think they were a bad person iregardless of their actions or past.

Now address the point originally made or shut up.

[Anonymous]

Well said ANON, but don't expect Robert Bruce to buy into that kind of thinking.  He is far too liberal minded to understand personal accountability.  Too far to the left.
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[Anonymous]

I did refute it, you are uncappable of seeing that however.

I know exacty what Dan's actions were when he was there because I was there at the same time.  I won't go into details because I don't want to embarass him.

I am just as qualified to speak for "most students" as you are.
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[RobertBruce]

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Thats why above my desk is a thank you letter from the President regarding my work on his reelection campaign, which is right next to a picture of Sen. McCain and myself.

Trust me Im a pretty conservative guy.

Idiot.

Now on to your stupid assumptions. I believe in accepting respondsibility for ones actions. I believe it so firmly Im here almost every day among other places working to ensure HLA accepts respondsibility for its actions. Namley abusing children.

I believe a person should be held accountable for what theyve done. Much like the Buch and others will be held accountable.

What I dont believe in is tactics like "bait and punish" brainwashing, inventing sins a person never committed, punishing them for nothing, forcing them to acknowledge guilt when no crime has been committed and believing a person can form a bond with someone whose principal job is to punish.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-12-21 12:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I did refute it, you are uncappable of seeing that however.



I know exacty what Dan's actions were when he was there because I was there at the same time.  I won't go into details because I don't want to embarass him.



I am just as qualified to speak for "most students" as you are."

I believe Im very cappable. I knew Dan at HLA, I knew what kind of inmate he was, you cant embarress him because he doesnt care what you think. You did not address the issue of in what world a person is supposed to form a bond with a therapist that punishes him.

It almost as if HLA encourages...what is it Stockhom syndrome?

Oh and I garruntee you I speak to more former students than you do, so no I am more qualified.

[Anonymous]

wrong again. i tried to form a relationship with my counselors. it was impossible. it had nothing to do with taking the easy way out, it had to do with the fact that the "therapy" was hurting more then helping, so i didnt want to end up more fucked up. go ahead, list what i did there. i have no shame, i was young and dumb, and ended up a good person because of steps i took not related to HLA at all. you have no clue why i was sent on challenges. you werent me or my counselors, so seriously, shut your mouth.

dan pg 26

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-21 12:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Well said ANON, but don't expect Robert Bruce to buy into that kind of thinking.  He is far too liberal minded to understand personal accountability.  Too far to the left."

Apparently you're too far to the right to be able to understand that breaking a kid to *build them back up* is a piss-poor way of dealing w/ ANYone, let alone a vulnerable child.  You appear to be more from the school of *well, its for their own good*.  People have posted plenty here to back up the FACT that *theraputic communities*, RTCs or whatever the fuck you want to call them are more HARMFUL THAN GOOD.  You consistently choose to ignore those posts and latch onto whatever bullshit you can about what kids did to *embarass* themselves in there.  Typical.  Did you even look at the links that were provided to you regarding bootcamps and forced *therapy*?  Did you look at any of the links that speak about the harm that *confrontational therapy* does?  I didn't think so.

[Anonymous]

"HAHAHAHAHAHA. Thats why above my desk is a thank you letter from the President regarding my work on his reelection campaign, which is right next to a picture of Sen. McCain and myself."

Geez.  I guess if your that politically knowledgeable HLA must have taught you pretty well.  That is, of course, unless you are full of it and just making all of this up.
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[Anonymous]

Be careful not to date yourself Robert.  People might find out who you are.
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[RobertBruce]

Nice.

Instead of addressing the point made you have to focus on something of absolute zero consequence.

This may come as a suprise to you but I did attend the majority of my education at places other than HLA.

On top of the fact that I am currently in college where Ive learned one or two things.

To be honest with you the education at HLA was so poor I dont think I learned anything there I either didnt already know, or was glazed over to such a degree I had to relearn it down the line.

Now that Ive shot down your attempted diversion lets address your earlier point. You claimed I was far to liberal to ever believe in personal respondsibility. Apparently I shut you down on both fronts. Not only am I conservative minded but I am an ardent supporter of personal respondsibility.

Soooooo how does that fit in with your theory?

Oh and what is it you think I might be making up?